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SecretLemonadeDrinker

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minimal investment in the team, sky high ticket prices, use revenue to build up infrastructure and property portfolio around the ground. There will always be an excuse to put money anywhere but out on the pitch. It’s just who they are. We do things differently here and we have to get over this obsession with spending money.

Certainly, that was the case before the stadium was completed. But in the first season after it was completed, we spent over £160m on players, and probably £110m net. It couldn't be clearer that we need to spend considerably more but I believe that that is the plan - or was the plan before COVID19 put a huge spanner in the works.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Certainly, that was the case before the stadium was completed. But in the first season after it was completed, we spent over £160m on players, and probably £110m net. It couldn't be clearer that we need to spend considerably more but I believe that that is the plan - or was the plan before COVID19 put a huge spanner in the works.
Yep great points and this is why the ENIC argument is tricky because the stadium has always been the gamechanger and like you said this summer we invested more than we have for a long time the issue is we are playing catch up from the times we didn’t / couldn’t spend and also the general Player recruiting over the years and running of the football side of the club has been poor.
 

daryl hannah

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Certainly, that was the case before the stadium was completed. But in the first season after it was completed, we spent over £160m on players, and probably £110m net. It couldn't be clearer that we need to spend considerably more but I believe that that is the plan - or was the plan before COVID19 put a huge spanner in the works.
...And yet we earned £200m from the CL over 4 seasons. Where's the rest of Poch's cash? Or was that his inevitable severance pay?

The club is seemingly yet to put any actual revenue into the team - we're STILL recycling the Bale money! ha ha :LOL:

Now it's looking like there'll be no CL, and it's back to sell to buy...
 

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I've been careful what I wish for, taken on board that the grass isn't always greener and have never wanted us to do a Leeds.

All of the above beware the bogeyman stuff got thrown at me time after time. So often in fact that I thought Cyndi fucking Lauper was a member on here.

Fuck it. Sell up Willow. I'll take the grass/Leeds gamble.
 

mill

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I think the lack of ambition on the playing side filters down from the top and I think the rest of the footballing world can see it too, I think that’s another barrier when it comes to improving the squad
 

Young Nasty Man

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I've been careful what I wish for, taken on board that the grass isn't always greener and have never wanted us to do a Leeds.

All of the above beware the bogeyman stuff got thrown at me time after time. So often in fact that I thought Cyndi fucking Lauper was a member on here.

Fuck it. Sell up Willow. I'll take the grass/Leeds gamble.

This. This. This. This.

First, I am not immune to garbage sports owners. I live in NY and have a deep irrational obsession with Spurs, the Knicks and the Jets. I live in a world where the three teams I invest too much emotional energy into derive the same outcome every time: nothing. A couple of damn headlines, a PR circus, and horrendous ownership. Interestingly enough, I think Spurs have the most competent of the three I mention above. That being said, if Levy is a loan master with banks, and is a financial wiz, you wage your damn bets when your team is at its peak and double down when you’re in it. We now see what happens when we just see creative and never going all in. We are living with a team that is burnt out, spineless, and frankly, lacks a will to push on. The only other time I’ve felt how I did yesterday was during Wolves v Spurs last year, essentially killing off our title chances. The issue is that I’d take those circumstances 10 fold over this. I can blame the players, I can blame the manager, but truthfully, I blame Levy, and I am done defending him. In fact, we made the CL Final in two miracle wins, and maybe should be feeling a hell of a lot worse right now if it weren’t for that.

I blame the owners. Sports is a business and your owner dictates the direction of a franchise - scouts, contracts, players, etc. Of all the sports I watch, this happens to be the only one league/sport without a salary cap making it a world of have and have nots. Somehow, we’ve been lodged trying to achieve the “have” in a creative way, which we don’t. Don’t get me wrong, I respect it. We’ve supported a club that has grown and moved on, but this zone of “good, not great”, is not a tenable place, and clearly maintaining isn’t enough when there are new challengers and players in this space. The irony of this is that CL was the money maker for the owners, and now he isn’t going to get it. Built a stadium to fill it up for Saturday/Sunday and Tuesday/Wednesday. Now you get half of that revenue and half of that exposure. Ironic isn’t it? Waiting to build a castle to sit in and profit off of, and you got nothing to show for it.

I’d say I’m surprised, unfortunately, this is my leisure time with sports - same story, different team. I spend my free time supporting teams that amount to nothing other than a thumbs up and a pat on the back. I’m done with ENIC. Give me the oil tycoon, the media conglomerate owner, or a royal family because nothing else seems to win in this sport anymore.
 

SecretLemonadeDrinker

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...And yet we earned £200m from the CL over 4 seasons. Where's the rest of Poch's cash? Or was that his inevitable severance pay?

The club is seemingly yet to put any actual revenue into the team - we're STILL recycling the Bale money! ha ha :LOL:

Now it's looking like there'll be no CL, and it's back to sell to buy...

Well, on top of the £160m spent, there are other things to pay for as well as buying players! Besides which, by all accounts, there was more available to spend on players had Spurs been able to conclude deals - e.g. for Dybala.

2019-20 was due to have been the first full season that Spurs could generate a massive increase in revenues from the new stadium. So there was a concomitant big investment in new players. It's clear to me that that was always part of the plan. Build the foundations. Get the infrastructure in place. Then push on. COVID19 has obviously put a huge spanner in the works. We can only hope that its effects won't be felt for too long because, more than any other top club, our ability to compete financially depends upon the ability to use our stadium fully.
 

rossdapep

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I think the lack of ambition on the playing side filters down from the top and I think the rest of the footballing world can see it too, I think that’s another barrier when it comes to improving the squad
The footballing world know it's true. I have an ex-pro elite player from another country as a client and he said to me that we're a nice club but one who don't like to win.

If they are thinking that then everyone else is.
 

Jamturk

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One relatively bad season and you're all crying like little spoilt chidren

The trajectory of this club since ENIC came in has been steadily upwards whatever their motives

Can I remind you that we have just come off the back of four consecutive CL qualifications which we have no right to and a CL final.

We have a beautiful state of the art stadium and our financial future going forward is secured.

It was not so long ago that a bad season for Spurs would be fighting to stave off relegation so some of the comments in here are nothing short of hysterical hyperbole that is shameful and quite honestly embarassing.

There are four trophies to fight for in a season. 2 domestic cups that would satisfy for like 2 minutes and 2 major titles that we can try and compete for but really have no realistic chance of winning unless all the stars align like they did for Leicester.
 

mill

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I think we’ve blown maximising the naming rights too, no cl for the foreseeable and Kane’s time likely coming to an end we most likely look a whole lot less appealing in that front
 

Metalhead

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I've been careful what I wish for, taken on board that the grass isn't always greener and have never wanted us to do a Leeds.

All of the above beware the bogeyman stuff got thrown at me time after time. So often in fact that I thought Cyndi fucking Lauper was a member on here.

Fuck it. Sell up Willow. I'll take the grass/Leeds gamble.
You never know - is Risdale in gainful employment these days?
 

jimbo

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I've been careful what I wish for, taken on board that the grass isn't always greener and have never wanted us to do a Leeds.

All of the above beware the bogeyman stuff got thrown at me time after time. So often in fact that I thought Cyndi fucking Lauper was a member on here.

Fuck it. Sell up Willow. I'll take the grass/Leeds gamble.

Lot of chatter in the Mourinho thread along the lines of 'sack him now' so we can bring in a younger, more pragmatic, project-type coach. A Nagelsmann, or the next Nagelsmann, or whoever.

The sentiment makes sense, but what would be the point?

Say we do appoint some prodigious young talent, Ragnar Goalsman, he has a philosophy, a project plan. We play well, improve, with hungry talented players. The only thing missing is a trophy, we're close but need that little bit more star quality to get over the line... That should sound familiar.

Would we get that quality? That investment which offers little on the cost:benefit analysis but would mean so much to the club and us fans? Would. We. Fuck.

So there's no point in changing this manager for that manager, trying to 'win now' or 'build for the future'. The desire to take Multi-Sport, Events & Entertainment FC to the winner's paddock just isn't there.

I'm getting off the ENIC/Levy fence, and I'm coming to see what the grass looks like on your side of it. Time to twist. (Though I suspect there's a fat fucking chance anything will change, mind you.)
 

DiVaio

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...And yet we earned £200m from the CL over 4 seasons. Where's the rest of Poch's cash? Or was that his inevitable severance pay?

The club is seemingly yet to put any actual revenue into the team - we're STILL recycling the Bale money! ha ha :LOL:
Hmm maybe in new players, new contracts for players, in new stadium
 

thebenjamin

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Lot of chatter in the Mourinho thread along the lines of 'sack him now' so we can bring in a younger, more pragmatic, project-type coach. A Nagelsmann, or the next Nagelsmann, or whoever.

The sentiment makes sense, but what would be the point?

Say we do appoint some prodigious young talent, Ragnar Goalsman, he has a philosophy, a project plan. We play well, improve, with hungry talented players. The only thing missing is a trophy, we're close but need that little bit more star quality to get over the line... That should sound familiar.

Would we get that quality? That investment which offers little on the cost:benefit analysis but would mean so much to the club and us fans? Would. We. Fuck.

So there's no point in changing this manager for that manager, trying to 'win now' or 'build for the future'. The desire to take Multi-Sport, Events & Entertainment FC to the winner's paddock just isn't there.

I'm getting off the ENIC/Levy fence, and I'm coming to see what the grass looks like on your side of it. Time to twist. (Though I suspect there's a fat fucking chance anything will change, mind you.)

Yeah unless someone pays them £2 billion we're stuck with them I guess until Joe Lewis passes away, at which point I suppose the club will be in the hands of his children. What happens then is anyone's guess.
 

SecretLemonadeDrinker

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The footballing world know it's true. I have an ex-pro elite player from another country as a client and he said to me that we're a nice club but one who don't like to win.

If they are thinking that then everyone else is.

Spurs “don’t like to win”?

Don’t know how to win, I’d agree. Certainly when it comes to taking that last step and winning trophies. But “don’t like to win”? That’s a very strange thing to say.
 

13VanDerBale13

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I honestly don’t see things improving any time soon, on top of already regressing drastically, our competitors are much further ahead of us & will continue to be next season with their summer recruitment compared to ours
 

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Daniel Levy up to 2016 was the best chairman in the league that didn't own an oilfield. No question. Nobody else comes close. Since then though we've made a lot of very poor decisions that have ultimately undone a lot of the good work we did.

I'm willing to wait and see if he's got a trick up his sleeve and has a plan, because I also felt he'd fucked it in 2014 when we'd sold Bale, Modric and Van Der Vaart whilst Paulinho, Soldado, Chiriches and Capoue were playing awful football under Sherwood, but within a year or so we'd come back even stronger than ever before - same thing in 2008 when we sold Keane and Berbatov and went into the "two points from eight season", but then had our highest (at the time) PL finish the year after.

But if we're in August and hearing the same old "we're looking to strengthen the squad but still trying to find right sort of player that's available" then ENIC can fuck right off. Either they've discussed a strategy and target list for next season with Mourinho already, based on CL or no CL (now it will be no CL) and are working to execute it, or they're not and we're going to flop.
 

nattydredd

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The problem with ENIC, to cut it to the quick, in my opinion, is that they have tragically always prioritised the business side of the club over the playing side.

I think I'll leave it at that.

Nice stadium though.......
 

shelfboy68

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Daniel Levy up to 2016 was the best chairman in the league that didn't own an oilfield. No question. Nobody else comes close. Since then though we've made a lot of very poor decisions that have ultimately undone a lot of the good work we did.

I'm willing to wait and see if he's got a trick up his sleeve and has a plan, because I also felt he'd fucked it in 2014 when we'd sold Bale, Modric and Van Der Vaart whilst Paulinho, Soldado, Chiriches and Capoue were playing awful football under Sherwood, but within a year or so we'd come back even stronger than ever before - same thing in 2008 when we sold Keane and Berbatov and went into the "two points from eight season", but then had our highest (at the time) PL finish the year after.

But if we're in August and hearing the same old "we're looking to strengthen the squad but still trying to find right sort of player that's available" then ENIC can fuck right off. Either they've discussed a strategy and target list for next season with Mourinho already, based on CL or no CL (now it will be no CL) and are working to execute it, or they're not and we're going to flop.
I think we maybe in a situation where both chairman and manager's best days are both behind them.
 
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