Jose Mourinho

fishhhandaricecake said:

Wow amazing info thanks for sharing. Good to see we were looking at 4 very good options all have their strengths and weaknesses, I can see that with Anchelotti being a bit arrogant whereas I think this was exactly the opportunity that Jose was waiting for and so he will have come across keen as mustard and knowing Jose I’m sure he’d have produced a dossier on our strengths and weaknesses and how he can be successful with us.

Id have loved nagglesman and I think Rogers would’ve been a decent fit with the way we want to play football and he’s a top top manager, quite underrated but as a package aside from the rather negative football at times I think Jose is probably the best choice out of the 4, although nagglesman I think would’ve done well with us but he’s more of a risk.

my order of preference would’ve been:
1. nagglesman
2. Jose
3. Rogers
4. Anchelotti

really insightful though thanks so much for sharing and the poch compensation thing for a few weeks makes complete sense and is along the lines of what I heard as well when j shared insights of the mood behind the scenes and how all was not right since the CL final and even a bit before that.

(Not a Q obviously) but it makes me wonder if Eddie Howe was spoken to at all or was even on a shortlist or 2nd list as lots of rumours saying that one of the directors is a big fan of his but as soon as Jose became available and now as you’re saying certain other options weren’t available then Jose was n.o 1 target and we went all out for him.

looking forward to the amazon doc , I hope there is some behind the scenes with levy and scenes on squad management and financial planning etc like city and Sunderland and Leeds all had in theirs so we can get a glimpse of what levy is really like.

great info.
COYS

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rossdapep said:

Lampard is getting better to be fair.

Still think Solskjaer is benefitting from being able to spend big.

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pelayo59 said:

I think that Lampard is benefiting a lot that he didnt have any expectations this season, now with transfers he will have pressure to be in top4 minimum

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rossdapep said:

A lot of people probably would have preferred Nagelsmann and he's certainly hot property right now. But I share the same concerns as others as Nagelsmann would almost certainly have needed a year to transform us into something reasonably functional and as a young coach in a new league it could have backfired spectacularly. Nagelsmann needs a clean break, finish his project at RB Leipzig then join a team before preseason. It would have been such a monumental job for him here.

We weren't in any shape to function the way that his teams do and it made much more sense to go with an experienced winner who knows how to get under achieving teams in to shape. Not only that but Jose had been watching us for months, he knew the opportunity could come up.

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pelayo59 said:

I think that Lampard is benefiting a lot that he didnt have any expectations this season, now with transfers he will have pressure to be in top4 minimum

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pelayo59 said:

I think that Lampard is benefiting a lot that he didnt have any expectations this season, now with transfers he will have pressure to be in top4 minimum

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fishhhandaricecake said:

There are always different ways to look at situations and I have to say I’m trying to look more positively on have Jose Mouriniho as our manager than I did pre lockdown.

As some have said he’s not going anywhere anytime soon and I don’t agree that he will rip us apart and leave the squad a mess if anything I think he’s just helping to re-build it and having his experienced eye review the strengths and weaknesses of our squad can only be a good thing, so some positives to focus on:

•We’ve been far more solid the previous two games only coinciding one goal from a soft penalty decision

•We’ve limited our opponents to a low number of good chances and the team look organised defensively

•Jose asked for time and its seems to be slowly paying off as on early evidence of the re-start their is a clear positive difference and we look more like a ‘mouriniho team’

•Yes we’d all Love spurs to play like man.city and win every game and trophy but realistically we don’t have the players or manager to do that so mabye just mabye as hard as it might be for some, (me included) who are purists and prefer football to be played in a certain style especially at spurs ‘to dare Is to do’ well... perhaps us becoming more pragmatic might just be a good thing and mabye we can get to a point where we are 1-2/-0 up and instead of constantly shitting ourselves we will have a confidence of the team actually seeing out the result.

•Mouriniho is one of the most experienced and successful managers not just around now but ever so hopefully he’s teaching our players a thing or two and I think we’re already seeing the fruits of his labour in the defensive organisation and improvements on winks and Sissokos game etc

•We have all our players back fit and so have lots of options

•I saw some attacking patterns of play and I think once we become more solid he’ll then work more on this side of things but probably the right way to go about it focusing on improving the defensive side first and build from that base, oh and Kane is back

•I don’t like the park the bus approach but to be fair it is good having a plan A B and C and he clearly sets us up differently depending on the strengths and weaknesses of our opponents, some managers just play the way way regardless and that can work with klopp and pep but at the same time having different ways to play against different styles and levels of team can only be a good thing

•Jose is probably the best manager at using substitutions to change a game

•IF we can keep getting good results and players keep buying into what he’s doing which it seems to me bar ndombele a lot of them are, then there a chance we can build that seige mentality again that his teams have had in the past and if so that aura of invincibility and “oh shit we are playing Jose Mourinihos Tottenham today this won’t be easy” will start to help us in our quest to win a trophy

•IF we can be clever in the transfer market in summer and as Jose said make a few ‘tweaks’ let’s say 1x FB, 1x DM and 1x ST minimum which I really think Is achievable even in the current circumstances then I think we could be very very strong next season.

Not sure where this wave of positivity has come from, probably just happy to have the football back and for us to be unbeaten in two matches haha but hey I’m starting to try and look at some of the many positives. I’m quite an impatient person as are most football fans but perhaps we do just need to trust in Jose and keep giving him time.

How do others feel on this?
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rossdapep said:

A lot of people probably would have preferred Nagelsmann and he's certainly hot property right now. But I share the same concerns as others as Nagelsmann would almost certainly have needed a year to transform us into something reasonably functional and as a young coach in a new league it could have backfired spectacularly. Nagelsmann needs a clean break, finish his project at RB Leipzig then join a team before preseason. It would have been such a monumental job for him here.

We weren't in any shape to function the way that his teams do and it made much more sense to go with an experienced winner who knows how to get under achieving teams in to shape. Not only that but Jose had been watching us for months, he knew the opportunity could come up.

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Metalhead said:

Jose had been suggesting that he was looking at a more ‘modest’ project for a while so I guess this was what he had been referring to.

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rossdapep said:

He said he was looking to go to a club that could win though. He said he's not interested in going to a club who are happy to finish 4th, he wants success.

The problem of course is whether Levy matches that ambition because if he is content with top 4 and we need an extra push, Jose will start with the mutterings.

Strangely though, I think Jose has been used to chairman demanding success but then putting roadblocks in place.

Chelsea - Despite two league titles, Abramovich demanded better football, lumped him with Shevchenko and demanded CL. He actually left on this occasion as opposed to being fired.

Madrid - Demanded that they challenged Barca, which they did, unfortunately Jose fell out with key players and it went balls up.

Chelsea - Demanded title success, which he did easily but certain players started complaining and the board backed the players.

United - Was asked to get United winning the title again. Was allowed to spend a lot but some weren't his choices. United pushed City but were still behind. To kick on he went to the board to demand new players are that others were brought in to replace unsuccessful ones he was told he couldn't have. Therefore his mood changed and certain players started challenging him.

I don't think Levy will put as many roadblocks down. I can't imagine him demanding better football or demanding titles. So in that respect Jose should be able to go about his work in peace. He's a natural winner anyway so the motivation isn't an issue. However, the worry as always will be investment. Although now, Jose seems to understand what he's got to work with.

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spids said:

I am happy for JM to have time to build the squad in his image and implement a playing style that he feels will win us trophies. However, to catch Liverpool, Man C, even Chelsea, we need significant investment in at least 3 positions RB, DCM and a target man CF to complete with Kane. And to push on and actually win the title I think we need a LB as well (one who is quicker, more aggressive and more creative). Davies is a solid LB who can slip into a back 3, and it would seem one of the leaders in the team (based on recent commentary with no crowd noise), but he does have limitations going forwards. If Jose is left make do with the existing squad then I am afraid we are in for a few years of being second tier and trying to get 4th place, competing with Man U, Arsenal and Leicester. In fact, if Man U invest in a new CB to partner Maguire and recall Henderson to replace De Gea, then I can see them, Man C, Liverpool and Chelsea dominating as a top 4 again, with us very much in the shadows. Quite simply Levy needs to invest in the team this summer - and get players Mourinho wants. And if Mourinho really does not fancy Ndombele we need to get rid and invest in players he likes. It could be that we also need to consider cashing in on other players who do not fit into the new Jose system. Possibly Dele and one of Sissoko or Winks. Tough choices ahead.

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shelfboy68 said:

Ask yourself honestly is that going to happen investment wise I mean, no way will levy change his MO we have got to get used to it.
It still begs the question of why hire Jose unless he said to levy that he could win the treble by using academy players only.

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spids said:

Probably not, but I can imagine Jose urging Levy to sell players he does not want to make space and funds for players he does. And it is imperative that he does as history shows Mourinho will just not pick those he wanted out and a negative vibe will consume the club.

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buckley said:

Brendon Rodgers would be in the bottom three of the 20 premier league managers as a pick .
I may be wrong but I believe that man is so in love with himself that anything and everything else comes second to him .
That man is just one egotistical lump he obviously works out and spends many hours cleaning his teeth where as most other managers are a little overweight or at least not too fit because their main focus is getting their team right with him its secondary get himself looking pretty then concentrate on the team . I expect abuse for my thoughts but I have met the likes of him many times myself and I can tell you his type is not to be left alone with your missus I would not be surprised if he carries a Combe and a little mirror around with him .

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dudu said:

Who are you and what have you done with @fishhhandaricecake

Seriously though mate, I'm please you are feeling more positive about things and taking a pragmatic view.

Patience is never easy in football but the pandemic has given everyone at spurs a break, which I think we all needed....... players included.

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fishhhandaricecake said:

Haha cheers mate

Yea i realise now i was quite emotional in my analysis towards the end just before covid struck as a lot of us were. Personally similar to Poch i was a bit exhausted with it all after attending tons of games over the past 5 seasons home, away and abroad including the CL final and us getting so so close to different trophies with a squad and manager we all loved and connected with to then it suddenly all fall apart and then Jose come in and that for about 2 months be a disaster and everything that could go wrong was going wrong it was all a bit hard to take, especially as when we made the decision to get Jose I was upset about Poch going but i backed the decision and was excited about Jose but then when the football went very dour and the injuries struck and we kept losing it was all very depressing and I was losing faith in us ever being able to actually win anything.

But having had a break from Spurs has been really nice actually, I think it has done the fans a lot of good and the squad and the manager so things are certainly a lot more positive right now. Time will tell but fair play to the ones who were shouting for patience when shit was hitting the fan it seemed. Onwards and upwards now.

The issue now is we have no/less money due to covid and the stadium but I still don't think thats an excuse tbh as every team bar chelsea and man.city and mabye man.u are really on pretty much a level playing field and some smaller clubs with less cash reserves will be struggling a lot more than us and if anything that is where levy can usually take advantage of an 'opportunity', as you and others have said lets give jose time and hopefully we can get him a few players in so he can start addressing the squad weaknesses, we've already seen in the past 2 games that his teams are all about organisation and the collective and so he doesn't necessarily need superstars but he will need support in bringing in a few players to strengthen and improve key areas.

How you feeling about it all mate?

COYS

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Metalhead said:

Like it - and just to add to that - there is every reason to be optimistic because that stadium will generate a lot of money - a game changing amount of money - over the long term, be it through bums on seats, season tickets, merchandise, food and hospitality, the cheese room, the NFL tie in, potential tie ups with Amazon or Nike as well as the TV money. Every reason to be cheerful.

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