Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

brasil_spur · May 19, 2020

timboyid said:
The ONS has actually found that even after taking into account age, measures of self-reported health and disability and other socio-demographic characteristics, black people were still almost twice as likely as white people to die a Covid-19-related death.

Bangladeshi and Pakistani males were 1.8 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than white males, after other pre-existing factors had been accounted for, and females from those ethnic groups were 1.6 times more likely to die from the virus than their white counterparts.

The risk of Covid-19 death for people from Chinese and mixed ethnic groups was found to be similar to that for white people.

So I believe that they are legitimate concerns

Yes as I said the statistic of 4x that he used is inflated.

Also the ONS is data analysis, which I agree with.

But the reason for BAME prevalence seems to be (based on wider analysis and scientific evidence) related to the general socio-economic status (i.e. increased poverty in the BAME population) and the increased severity seen in SARS and being seen now in C-19 from a vitamin D deficiency, which is largely prevelant in BAME people in the UK.

PL BAME footballers therefore should not be at a 2x increased risk as they should not be subject to vitamin D deficiency and most certainly are not living in poverty.

I get why TD doesn't want to train and have no issue with his decision, but if his other comments encourage more BAME footballers to not train this could cause some real issues which is based on poor data and science.

brasil_spur · May 19, 2020

Colonel Dax said:
The problem is we don't know yet. If previous virus pandemics are anything to go by, there might be another spike in the autumn / winter, in which case we might need to go into lockdown / quarantine again. What's needed is wide scale antibody testing (whenever it happens), to determine current immunity levels of the population. If it's low, then further lockdowns are highly likely as the winter kicks in. If on the other hand there's already mid to high levels of immunity and / or scientists can develop effective treatments, or track and trace becomes efficient, then perhaps what you outline as a scenario can happen and European football comps can return to some level of normality.

Don't get me wrong I fully agree with all this, but I don't see UEFA agreeing to cancel their competitions because of it, to me that's too naive.

dudu · May 19, 2020

brasil_spur said:
Yes as I said the statistic of 4x that he used is inflated.

Also the ONS is data analysis, which I agree with.

But the reason for BAME prevalence seems to be (based on wider analysis and scientific evidence) related to the general socio-economic status (i.e. increased poverty in the BAME population) and the increased severity seen in SARS and being seen now in C-19 from a vitamin D deficiency, which is largely prevelant in BAME people in the UK.

PL BAME footballers therefore should not be at a 2x increased risk as they should not be subject to vitamin D deficiency and most certainly are not living in poverty.

I get why TD doesn't want to train and have no issue with his decision, but if his other comments encourage more BAME footballers to not train this could cause some real issues which is based on poor data and science.

I think his comment is encouraging people to ask questions which is a good thing.

When the people in charge feel as comfortable and confident in relaying the info you have then I think you should judge differently, but there is a reason that the people he asked didn't give him a definative answer....

blodge99 · May 19, 2020

French racing (which has been taking place behind closed doors) has been stopped at the main Paris tracks (and another region which i cant remember) due to the levels increasing around there. What will happen here if levels in London rise here (for example)? Will they stop London clubs playing in the city? Would be a massive spanner in the works

coys200 · May 19, 2020

Burnley assistant manager is 1. So one club has at least 3.

Yid-ol · May 19, 2020

coys200 said:
Burnley assistant manager is 1. So one club has at least 3.

Norwich still need their results announced by sounds of it.

dudu · May 19, 2020

MK Yid said:
Expected news, but less than 1% is good, and they will self-isolate for a week, and group training will continue as planned.
I suppose the worst case scenario would be if 4 of the 6 were all the medical staff from one club for example.

Less than 1% is not bad, but it's also higher than the ONS would have predicted.

I agree with other last part of the below snippet from the BBC which really just says is too soon to draw any conclusions from the first round of testing.

"Last weekend, the Office for National Statistics suggested that one in 400 people had coronavirus outside hospitals and care homes, a rate of 0.25%.

Why the rate among the players and/or staff of the 19 Premier League clubs tested is higher at about 0.8% (so far) is unclear. By comparison, the Bundesliga recently recorded 10 positive results from 1,742 tests. But one should be wary of drawing too many conclusions from this first batch of tests."

spursfan77 · May 19, 2020

Watford

coys200 · May 19, 2020

I reckon Watford will get lawyers involved before a ball is kicked.

JCRD · May 19, 2020

spursfan77 said:
Watford

Deeney is a wise man

To be honest, positive tests are not the issue... they did the tests before anyone went out on the pitch for training... so you exclude them then isolate. Youre essentially trainign with everyone else who was negative.

I dont think finding the positive tests are the problem at all as logn a sthe timing is right.

BehindEnemyLines · May 20, 2020

Is the testing now 100% accurate? Last I heard it was only 70% accurate, which I assume means for every 7 people testing possitive there are a further 3 that have it but are not aware..........so if they have found 6 positive cases, then are there more that we are still unaware of?

bubble07 · May 20, 2020

It could also mean people are wrongly tested as positive...

vegassd · May 20, 2020

BehindEnemyLines said:
Is the testing now 100% accurate? Last I heard it was only 70% accurate, which I assume means for every 7 people testing possitive there are a further 3 that have it but are not aware..........so if they have found 6 positive cases, then are there more that we are still unaware of?

I believe the tests being provided to PL clubs are around 96% accurate. I don't know if that 4% is limited to false positives or negatives or is a mixture of both.

The NHS tests are required to be above 98% I think (or maybe even higher) so the company providing the PL tests have been saying that they aren't taking away NHS capacity because their tests aren't accurate enough anyway.

brasil_spur · May 20, 2020

dudu said:
I think his comment is encouraging people to ask questions which is a good thing.

When the people in charge feel as comfortable and confident in relaying the info you have then I think you should judge differently, but there is a reason that the people he asked didn't give him a definative answer....

I got shit loads of heat on my comments yesterday, despite actually not saying what the majority of people thought i was saying, so i'll probably give up on this point after this post.

However for me there is a massive difference in questioning people about a situation that could have a potential impact on his family's health and then giving quotes to the media for them to publish based on factually incorrect information during a pandemic.

This isn't the first from him either on C-19, and my concern is that he's using his ability to talk to other players and the public via the media in a way that promotes inaccurate information about the virus.

I'm sure that he's not the only footballer that is questioning the processes which are going on here, but it seems others that are doing so are doing it in private.

Also we're hearing only his side of these conversations. It could well be that the was provided with answers and he didn't understand them or didn't agree with them, i personally doubt that a trained physio working for a PL club isn't aware of the differences between going to a barbers and going to the club training facilities.

Again, just so everyone is clear, I fully support his decision based on his circumstances to not train, and the club are right for backing him.

brasil_spur · May 20, 2020

BehindEnemyLines said:
Is the testing now 100% accurate? Last I heard it was only 70% accurate, which I assume means for every 7 people testing possitive there are a further 3 that have it but are not aware..........so if they have found 6 positive cases, then are there more that we are still unaware of?

I don't think we know for sure which tests the PL are using but it seems 70% accuracy relates to the home tests that the UK are rolling out and the low percentage relates partly to the swabbing technique (i.e. general public aren't trained at swabbing). So you would imagine the PL testing is a lot higher.

How accurate are the results from self-testing for covid-19 at home?

Countries are increasingly sending out home coronavirus self-testing kits. But can the results from swabbing your own nose and throat be trusted?

www.newscientist.com

You can also help reduce the false negative rate massively by doing more than one test person. Just doing two tests at 70% rate means you get much more accurate results.

But sure, no process is perfect, so there is likely to be the potential for a few more additional cases to arise that weren't picked up in the initial round of testing.

yankspurs · May 20, 2020

Multiple watford players refusing to train now after deeneys refusal. 3 at the club tested positive, including a player. Highly doubt the season will restart now.

chrissivad · May 20, 2020

yankspurs said:
Multiple watford players refusing to train now after deeneys refusal. 3 at the club tested positive, including a player. Highly doubt the season will restart now.

Unless there are a lot more players who will refuse to train or play, having a few players refusing wont change much.

teok · May 20, 2020

The Premier League has confirmed on Tuesday there were six positives from three clubs for coronavirus after tests were carried out on 748 players and staff.

On Monday, the league announced that clubs would be allowed to restart training in small groups within the next 24 hours with no date set for league fixtures to restart.

Watford announced late Tuesday that three people, including one player, had tested positive for the virus and all three would self-isolate for seven days in line with league guidelines.

Burnley also confirmed in a statement earlier that day that assistant manager Ian Woan had tested positive.

"Ian is asymptomatic and is currently safe and well at home," the club said.

Each Premier League club has submitted 40 staff -- players, coaches, medical staff -- for testing prior to the start of group training.

brasil_spur · May 20, 2020

yankspurs said:
Multiple watford players refusing to train now after deeneys refusal. 3 at the club tested positive, including a player. Highly doubt the season will restart now.

Happy to get some odds from you on that. It was always inevitable that some players were going to test positive and by all accounts the numbers here aren't putting the re-start in jeopardy yet.

spursfan77 · May 20, 2020

I think the TV companies are going to eventually be the bad guys in all this and their greed will ultimately be there undoing when the clubs get pissed off and pressurise the PL to take the games in house to broadcast.

Premier League clubs fear impact after learning of extra broadcast rebates

Broadcasters are due an extra £36m in rebates for every week the 2019-20 Premier League season extends beyond 16 July

www.theguardian.com

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