Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

Looks like the season may be completed given this news?

mpickard2087 said:

Mightily convenient for Spurs that...…

European football is the last thing to solve, UEFA could pretty easily run a 500 odd team (based on coefficients etc.) super knockout competition to somewhat plug the gap for one year.

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Of course it is but then I’m a spurs fan so forgive me for that... as far as I see it there are only two options...complete the season whenever that will be or void it completely. Any other option just leaves it open for the nightmare of legal cases which could go on for ever.

stov said:

All English Football League games to resume behind closed doors and broadcast on TV or online

Open letter to fans from EFL chairman Rick Parry outlines a plan to resume football when it is safe to do so without supporters in attendance, with talks underway to broadcast all matches from the Championship, League One and League Two

www.independent.co.uk

Looks like the season may be completed given this news?

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The only way there is football this season(or next really) is if this season is completed during the summer but the legal ramifications of that June 30 date might be too much to overcome. If they cant get around the hurdles, they’ll have to abandon this season.

I’m of the opinion we wont have football again until September 2021 if we have a vaccine by then

yankspurs said:

The only way there is football this season(or next really) is if this season is completed during the summer but the legal ramifications of that June 30 date might be too much to overcome. If they cant get around the hurdles, they’ll have to abandon this season.

I’m of the opinion we wont have football again until September 2021 if we have a vaccine by then

I know that I've got a reputation for being an optimistic, glass half full kinda guy but I'm just being realistic.

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Really?

There are two main problems which is the Euros now being made next June, that means any delay to next season, will push an already cramped schedule - International breaks can not be scrapped as International teams will want to use these friendlies to build for the Euro's. The FA Cup and League can not be scrapped, due to the financial impact on lower league teams as well as the fact the sponsors have already paid the FA for the tournament which again would be another financial loss for the FA.

The other issue is the 30th June, which is a major issue, people saying let the players contracts etc just roll on, it is really not as simple as that, each player will want to safeguard themselves esp. those out of contract, looking for one last pay day eg a 30+year old who is out of contract but is due to sign for another club, they might see it as too risky to play for current team, risk an injury and thus not the move or why would the buying club permit him playing due to the risk.

There is no way the season will be wrapped up 30th June, with lockdown exteneded to start of May, even IF which is doubtful players could return to training, they will need friendly matches, adequate covid-19 testing, a doctor available, catering staff, backroom staff, physio's etc. some people think, even pundits - that its just 11 players and a manager - getting all these cogs in place whilst even a less strict lockdown takes place is very very hard - so many what if's.

The league are doing the right thing as they can't be seen to prematurely calling the season off, however I believe that it will be a question of when not if.

With what happens the current season, there is only 1 option which is to null and void it due to the permatations that still exsist. The season can not be decided any other way - all the suggestions so far, a play off tournament, keep the standing, a points average is never going to be implemented, too many legal challenges for a start, not to mention the unfair nature of it due to some teams perhaps having an 'easier run in'. The same goes for the EFL, you can not promote teams on the basis that they are top - again to many permutations. The Scottish leagues were called early in order to release money to the clubs, thats the only reason - EPL and EFL is a different ball game.

With null in void season I believe it benefits Spurs greatly, with guaranteed champions league next season, all players get a break - esp Kane and then start the season back fresh - This will have a finanical impact voiding the season - however spurs being in the champions league next season should negate some of that, as well as potential naming writes deal.

Overall, I think most people are not really thinking about football now, due to the crisis, however footballing bodies will have to start making decisions soon in order to provide clarity.

Hope everyone is staying safe.

All we were hearing pre the virus was that players were knackered why anybody thinks that starting to try to play 9 or 10 games in a short space of time without what would be needed namely with this lay off " pre season training " because the players I am sure no matter how professional will need it before starting to play full on again . Then you have players out of contract you will have clubs in financial difficulty who will need to sell to survive . So for me a void season is the only way forward whether the powers that be want it or not .

King of Otters said:

The Times listed three possible scenarios today in the eventuality that the season is cancelled. Don’t know how much of this is pure guesswork, but none of them do us any favours.


How to work out table if season is not completed
Premier League clubs are pushing for the season to end on July 1 regardless of whether the remaining fixtures can be completed. Given that not all teams have played the same number of games, a formula will need to be devised to resolve key issues such as the Champions League places and relegation. With Manchester City banned from Europe next season, fifth place would ensure Champions League football. Bill Edgar outlines three ways the final table could be calculated.

Option one
Points per game
The most straightforward way to calculate the standings, with teams’ current points totals divided by their games played to give a points per game figure. The only change to the current table would be Sheffield United and Arsenal, who each have a game
in hand on most of their rivals, leapfrogging Wolves and Tottenham. Goal difference is used to separate any teams level on points per game, so Watford and West Ham would be saved, with Bournemouth going down.
Champions League places Liverpool, Leicester City, Chelsea, Man Utd
Europa League place Sheffield United
Relegated Bournemouth, Aston Villa, Norwich City

Option two
First meetings this season
Only matches from the first 19 rounds of fixtures are counted to avoid differences in opposition — for example some teams have played strong sides such as Liverpool and Manchester City twice, while others have only faced them once.
The problem with this method is that it does not account for current form, meaning that Watford would be relegated based on poor results before their upturn in fortunes after Nigel Pearson arrived
in December.
Champions League places Liverpool, Leicester, Chelsea, Man Utd
Europa League place Sheffield United
Relegated Aston Villa, Watford, Norwich City

Option three
Predict the remaining fixtures
Teams’ home and away form this season can be used to predict any unplayed game. For each fixture, the home team’s average points per home game is compared with the away team’s average points per away game, with extra weighting for the past five home and away matches respectively.
If one team’s figure is at least 0.2 greater than the other, they are winners. Otherwise, the match is drawn. Under this model Sheffield United versus Wolves, which was due to be played on Sunday, would go down as a home win — with United having an average home points score of 1.8 and Wolves an away score of 1.4.
Champions League places Liverpool, Leicester, Chelsea, Sheffield United
Europa League place Man Utd
Relegated Watford, Aston Villa, Norwich

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My issue with any of that is that none of those options would accurately portray what would happen. Especially at the back end of the league when upsets and random results happen constantly as teams are fighting even harder for things.

It also doesn't take into account that teams in Europe will be more likely even if slightly, to drop points after those games.

Problems like this make it impossible to accurately predict how anything would happen.

People who get really worked up by the idea of the season finishing are only that passionate about it because they want liverpool to miss out on the title.

I am one of those people.

riggi said:

People who get really worked up by the idea of the season finishing are only that passionate about it because they want liverpool to miss out on the title.

I am one of those people.

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Same. However if the season goes on, Liverpool winning the title with no type of fanfare in the stadium and no open top parade is a nice substitute

coys200 said:

Imo all of these have more legal challenges than a totally Void season, which could see the following:

liverpool- denied being champions, bar the prestige aslong as prize money is awarded on current standings financially they really don’t lose out and still get CL football. Any title awarded by a legal challenge would be massively hollow and given circumstances make them look really bad.

Leicester- probably biggest losers as no CL football, but given current form that wasn’t guaranteed any legal ch

Chelsea/United / sheff u etc - All ifs and buts none could really legally challenge with a firm case. Same with Leeds/WBA yes bad luck but they aren’t 20 pts clear

However all scenarios above could be massively challenged legally purely on fact you’ve just awarded prizes by changing the rules 3/4 through a season. It’s not like duckworth Lewis or 3/4 laps of a GP complete those rules are already in place.

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I don’t disagree, but I assume that whatever is decided on will be by collective vote, negating any potential legal challenge.

In that case I’m not so sure the clubs will vote to just null and the void the season. More likely that it’s decided on something like points per game.

King of Otters said:

I don’t disagree, but I assume that whatever is decided on will be by collective vote, negating any potential legal challenge.

In that case I’m not so sure the clubs will vote to just null and the void the season. More likely that it’s decided on something like points per game.

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I said earlier. And ‘if’ season can’t be completed, you just cannot be creative in ‘points per game’. I am pretty sure there is far too many legal loopholes which will create cases from most clubs against the PL. Null & Void is very common sense.

So if we null and void the season - basically we are saying it never happened... should we also get our money back for Season Tickets? should players pay back any goal bonuses and play bonuses (perhaps not their basic wage)... eh im only asking the question...

If the season is null and voided i.e. legally invalid then should clubs also be paid?

JCRD said:

So if we null and void the season - basically we are saying it never happened... should we also get our money back for Season Tickets? should players pay back any goal bonuses and play bonuses (perhaps not their basic wage)... eh im only asking the question...

If the season is null and voided i.e. legally invalid then should clubs also be paid?

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You paid to go to games, that you did go. It is called entertainment. So I don’t see how that comes into it. Hope it makes sense.

Hercules said:

You paid to go to games, that you did go. It is called entertainment. So I don’t see how that comes into it. Hope it makes sense.

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I wouldnt call last season entertainment though in all honesty - I get it though and it was a pedantic question but the wider question is should the clubs also be paid... a season that is null and voided... I suspect theyll get the payment pro rata'd.

JCRD said:

So if we null and void the season - basically we are saying it never happened... should we also get our money back for Season Tickets? should players pay back any goal bonuses and play bonuses (perhaps not their basic wage)... eh im only asking the question...

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If i tug on my balls hard enough will i turn invisible is also only a question, doesn't mean its not a really fucking stupid one.

SpunkyBackpack said:

If i tug on my balls hard enough will i turn invisible is also only a question, doesn't mean its not a really fucking stupid one.

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Precisely.

Everyone knows that it’s twisting then turns you invisible.

BringBack_leGin said:

Precisely.

Everyone knows that it’s twisting then turns you invisible.

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Squinting doesn’t mean you’re invisible, leGin. That’ll explain all those court orders

Lots of papers going with the headline that PL games will start on 8 June. But when you delve into the meat of the articles it seems that’s not that case at all. Very misleading.

The clubs understand mass testing of the public has to happen first by the start of May for them to being testing players and start a window of mini preseason. The way things are going with testing I find that pretty unlikely but I guess it depends on what the term “mass testing” means.

The BBC are carrying quite a good article on the clubs’ expectations.