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markiespurs

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Sorry, but it should be the players taking the wage cut, not the non playing staff.

A 1 or 2 % pay reduction from the players would probably cover the 20% cut from non playing staff.
 

yankspurs

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Did this fucking bald **** really decide the right time to announce he gave himself a 75% bonus for delivering a stadium late and over budget was when he announced he cut non playing staffs wages(the people who need their full salaries the most)?!?!?!? Im not even sure the most scummy corporate america ceo would be this fucking awful. Fucking clown.
 

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Did this fucking bald **** really decide the right time to announce he gave himself a 75% bonus for delivering a stadium late and over budget was when he announced he cut non playing staffs wages(the people who need their full salaries the most)?!?!?!? Im not even sure the most scummy corporate america ceo would be this fucking awful. Fucking clown.
Oh come on - there’s a lot worse in the US
 

spursfan77

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Did this fucking bald **** really decide the right time to announce he gave himself a 75% bonus for delivering a stadium late and over budget was when he announced he cut non playing staffs wages(the people who need their full salaries the most)?!?!?!? Im not even sure the most scummy corporate america ceo would be this fucking awful. Fucking clown.

Yes because all those incidents happened at exactly the same time. Think.
 

Monkey boy

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Sorry, but it should be the players taking the wage cut, not the non playing staff.

A 1 or 2 % pay reduction from the players would probably cover the 20% cut from non playing staff.

I might be wrong as I often am but I think the issue here and why he can’t put the players on furlough is that at the end of it you as an employee have the right to terminate your employment without serving a notice period so therefore if we put the whole playing staff on it then technically they could walk away.

either that or as they are technically on fixed term contracts albeit for varying lengths then they aren’t classed as permanent members of staff and therefore aren’t entitled to the furlough process?
 

WiganSpur

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It's the total opposite. He's saying that football needs to understand its place in the scheme of things, and how unimportant it is at a time like this. Absolutely mind blowing to me that people are having a go at Levy for this - he's completely spot on.
Everybody knows the gravity of the situation. He's overemphasising deliberately.

Yeah yeah he probably has to do it etc etc but it doesn't quite sit right with me. More should be coming out of his wallet to pay, and I feel like whilst the players should do their bit, Levy is putting pressure on them and exploiting their position so the club doesn't have to pay for it.
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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I'm probably the biggest BSOL here but this is absolutely fucking disgusting from Levy.

The club made a world-record profit of £114m in 17/18 season and £68m in 18/19 season. The club is one of the most rececession-proof industries and regardless of how long this virus goes on, will be just fine.

To reduce the lowest paid staff salaries by 20% and then shift the rest of what they will be paid onto the country so effectively everyone in the country will be paying their wages is despicable. On top of this there may be a long delay before they can get their furloughed wages from the government.

Also whilst it's not the players responsibility to sustain the club's staff, they should have a look in the mirror right now too.

Absolutely this. It's a total F***ING disgrace that a couple of weeks in we're already dipping into the taxpayer money. Why am I not surprised it's us leading the way with this.

As for people saying the right business decision is to use the furlough system if it benefits you - I completely disagree. This is a scheme that has been rolled out as an emergency in about a day to make sure people can survive. It is so unbelievably open to abuse as a result. Companies should "do the right thing" for once in their lives and only use it if absolutely necessary.
 

swarvsta

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I might be wrong as I often am but I think the issue here and why he can’t put the players on furlough is that at the end of it you as an employee have the right to terminate your employment without serving a notice period so therefore if we put the whole playing staff on it then technically they could walk away.

either that or as they are technically on fixed term contracts albeit for varying lengths then they aren’t classed as permanent members of staff and therefore aren’t entitled to the furlough process?

They are still employees. Contracts work alongside employment law, and footballers are all classed as employees (in the UK, but not always in other countries).

However, they would potentially have the right to exit their contract if we furloughed them. It would probably have to be a mutual agreement, like we have seen at other clubs.

Personally I feel that footballers really should have offered to take a cut during this current time. I find it impossible to believe that any PL footballer would be relying on their wages to cover monthly outgoings. Even if they have mortgages, they could freeze them for 3 months.

It could have changed a lot of people’s opinions on footballers if they had taken a stand on this together, and given something back from their quite extortionate wages.
 

thebenjamin

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Everybody knows the gravity of the situation. He's overemphasising deliberately.

Yeah yeah he probably has to do it etc etc but it doesn't quite sit right with me. More should be coming out of his wallet to pay, and I feel like whilst the players should do their bit, Levy is putting pressure on them and exploiting their position so the club doesn't have to pay for it.

Players need to defer wages or clubs are going to go to the wall. It really is that simple. Some premier league clubs probably can't last more than a couple of months paying their players with no income. The players should already have done it.
 

swarvsta

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Echoes what I just posted.

The culture of a football club should dictate that the ridiculously highly paid footballers should be willing to take a temporary pay cut to help those at the bottom end of the pay scale.

In fact, within my financial services company, the board have actually decided to pay all the entry level/admin based staff who are deemed as ‘key workers’ a 30% bonus on their salary for April as a ‘thank you’.
 

WiganSpur

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They should, but they're under no obligation to do so and shouldn't be pressured into doing it by directors looking to exploit their wealth so they don't have to pay up themselves. At the end of the day, the clubs decided to give the players these contracts and have to take responsibility for that.
 

wrd

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It’s just an easy way to cover millions of pounds of salary expenditure.

Any club or business not abusing this scheme is crazy.

In fact, I work in financial services and my company hasn’t utilised this scheme at all, and I have no idea why. Most employees are doing fuck all work, including me.

Probably because abusing the system will mean the pot which we have to help those who need it most will run dry very quickly and our most vulnerable will be in an absolutely terrible situation.
 

markiespurs

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Really is time for the players to step up here and take the financial hit.

None of this negotiating with the PFA, PL and EFL for a collective defferal bullshit. Individual players shouls do the decent thing here.
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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It’s just an easy way to cover millions of pounds of salary expenditure.

Any club or business not abusing this scheme is crazy.

In fact, I work in financial services and my company hasn’t utilised this scheme at all, and I have no idea why. Most employees are doing fuck all work, including me.

Do you honestly feel this way? Do you really think business should plough on taking advantage of any loopholes within regulations without breaking the law?
 

coys200

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Until there is a vaccine any club with any sense will spend £0 this summer. There’s absolutely no guarantee hundreds of millions won’t be wiped off next season as well if there’s another outbreak in the winter.
 
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