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Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

FinnYid

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Why publicly criticise him to ' get a response' and then make him travel if there was no chance he would play a part?

Because we needed 18 players to make up the numbers? We already had to take Fagan-Walcott on bench with current injuries. Guess Ndobmele might have played if we had catched couple of more.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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How can you know that?

Everyone 'knows' the last point I made. That's just logical.

And for the first two points -- I was being facetious with 'know' - but we had players with no energy or confidence on the ball that therefor couldn't retain possession or choose the right option going forward. Given, however negatively people feel about him, a strength of Tanguy is his confidence on the ball, playing against a press and therefore retaining possession while choosing the right forward pass - it's not much of a stretch to at least loosely make the assumption that I did.
 

dudu

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Everyone 'knows' the last point I made. That's just logical.

And for the first two points -- I was being facetious with 'know' - but we had players with no energy or confidence on the ball that therefor couldn't retain possession or choose the right option going forward. Given, however negatively people feel about him, a strength of Tanguy is his confidence on the ball, playing against a press and therefore retaining possession while choosing the right forward pass - it's not much of a stretch to at least loosely make the assumption that I did.

Based on his last couple of showings of hiding from the ball somewhat, showing very little energy or confidence and not really doing anything of note with the ball, I feel its a bit of a stretch to assume that he would have made any difference whatsoever.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Based on his last couple of showings of hiding from the ball somewhat, showing very little energy or confidence and not really doing anything of note with the ball, I feel its a bit of a stretch to assume that he would have made any difference whatsoever.

Firstly - certainly disagree that he has shown little confidence on the ball - I think he was positive when in possession.

Anyway - won't know now - Mourinho doesn't like him. The fans have turned on on him. Wasn't given the chance to show his ability or attitude last night.

Every time he plays now and we don't perform he will be scapegoated. We've seen it with certain players for years.

Expect him to be sold in the summer even if he does start training better/adapt how he plays.

Big mistake in my book. But there you go - the majority don't agree. I just see a wonderfully technical footballer with unique qualities in our squad that should be harnessed. Playing a system that would actually suit the midfield players gifted on the ball (like Winks and Lo Celso too)

I think most have made their mind up after seeing 3-4 five second clips and I think the level of ridicule, abuse, criticism has been unwarranted - but nobody will change their mind - so I think I may bow out.


(Ps: Oh and also, aside from your feelings of his impact - what logical argument is there for not bringing Ndombele or Parrot on for Dele/Lucas - if they are exhausted/at risk of injury? Other than Mourinho proving a point.)
 
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Firstly - certainly disagree that he has shown little confidence on the ball - I think he was positive when in possession.

Anyway - won't know now - Mourinho doesn't like him. The fans have turned on on him. Wasn't given the chance to show his ability or attitude last night.

Every time he plays now and we don't perform he will be scapegoated. We've seen it with certain players for years.

Expect him to be sold in the summer even if he does start training better/adapt how he plays.

Big mistake in my book. But there you go - the majority don't agree. I just see a wonderfully technical footballer with unique qualities in our squad that should be harnessed. Playing a system that would actually suit the midfield players gifted on the ball (like Winks and Lo Celso too)

I think most have made their mind up after seeing 3-4 five second clips and I think the level of ridicule, abuse, criticism has been unwarranted - but nobody will change their mind - so I think I may bow out.


(Ps: Oh and also, aside from your feelings of his impact - what logical argument is there for not bringing Ndombele or Parrot on for Dele/Lucas - if they are exhausted/at risk of injury? Other than Mourinho proving a point.)
He wants to play them this weekend at home to United?
 

dudu

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Won't know now - Mourinho doesn't like him. The fans have turned on on him. Wasn't given the chance to show his ability or attitude last night.

Every time he plays now and we don't perform he will be scapegoated. We've seen it with certain players for years.

Expect him to be sold in the summer even if he does start training better/adapt how he plays.

Big mistake in my book. But there you go - the majority don't agree. I just see a wonderfully technical footballer with unique qualities in our squad that should be harnessed. Playing a system that would actually suit the midfield players gifted on the ball (like Winks and Lo Celso too)

I think most have made their mind up after seeing 3-4 five second clips and I think the level of ridicule, abuse, criticism has been unwarranted - but nobody will change their mind - so I think I may bow out.


(Ps: Oh and also, aside from your feelings of his impact - what logical argument is there for not bring Ndombele or Parrot on for Dele/Lucas - if they are exhausted/at risk of injury? Other than Mourinho proving a point.)

Because when Ndombele plays we look even more like conceding - it's having one less player capable of defending against a team clearly better drilled than us in the middle of the park. Jose doesn't trust him at 2-0 down to come on and galvanize our side, to get stuck in and wrestle the game back in our favour. Do you?

And I haven't scapegoated him, I don't think anyone has scapegoated him and blamed him for our entirely poor performance. People have just pointed out his poor performance. I have been watching him intently for months and month on end and have never ridiculed or abused him at all.
 

Spurs_Bear

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Why publicly criticise him to ' get a response' and then make him travel if there was no chance he would play a part?

Might as well have worked on tactics and fitness at the training ground or just told not to bother turning up until the summer transfer window if that's the case.

He's been doing that for the last 6 weeks apparently and it hasn't made a difference so maybe they've given up.
 

swarvsta

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I'll defend Ndombele and Winks.

I see qualities in both.

However Ndombele was ripped in to after an unconvincing performance in a certain system. Low and behold playing 5 at the back again with no striker leads to Wink and Lo Celso to have no authority in midfield.

My sympathy towards our midfielders comes form a position that I think we are not playing to their strengths and they are then being scapegoated.


I love what Ndombele offers when he is on the ball, but how can he be anywhere near the team after those last two games?

The lack of effort off the ball is absolutely shocking. Did you watch the Carragher analysis? I watched the whole first half again and it is incredible how Ndombele walks around like he doesn’t care.

He needs a rocket up his arse.

People say the money they earn is irrelevant but I disagree.

Why can’t footballers be held accountable for poor performance and extreme lack of effort. He is earning 200k a week.

If some executive, lawyer or banker was earning 200k A YEAR, and found to be failing in some way, people would be up in arms about how unfair it all is and how they should be sacked. How it’s unfair nurses only earn 20k a year.

If you make it as a pro footballer you should have the backbone to take some seriously heavy criticism.

I just hope Ndombele does, and he acts on it. Quickly.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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He's been doing that for the last 6 weeks apparently and it hasn't made a difference so maybe they've given up.

So again why take him. Just put him on the transfer list if the fans hate him and the coaches don't believe they can influence him.
 
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So again why take him. Just put him on the transfer list if the fans hate him and the coaches don't believe they can influence him.
Probably shouldn't have bought him in the first place - what a waste of time and cash.

This game is fun.
 

Spurs_Bear

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I think most have made their mind up after seeing 3-4 five second clips and I think the level of ridicule, abuse, criticism has been unwarranted - but nobody will change their mind - so I think I may bow out.

What a load of "Bob" to quote @Archibald&Crooks, this is the front of the holier than thou brigade that makes you all look like "you know whats".

How can you have the front to throw the accusation that people are making their mind up on a couple of 3-4 second clips? Boils my piss.

And let's be frank, you'll only "bow out" until he contributes something in the next few weeks and then you'll be back like the Cheshire Cat, we've been here before mate.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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What a load of "Bob" to quote @Archibald&Crooks, this is the front of the holier than thou brigade that makes you all look like "you know whats".

How can you have the front to throw the accusation that people are making their mind up on a couple of 3-4 second clips? Boils my piss.

And let's be frank, you'll only "bow out" until he contributes something in the next few weeks and then you'll be back like the Cheshire Cat, we've been here before mate.
'mate'

Nah.
 

double0

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Why hasn't Mourinho called out Lloris for that first half performance against RBL?

What can you say about Mourinho again in the post match interview he said all of RBL subs would get in the team.

Total respect for Dele Alli, he fronted up after the game spoke with clarity and intelligence he apologised to the fans and made a point to say it was a collective.
 

cozzo

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Why hasn't Mourinho called out Lloris for that first half performance against RBL?

What can you say about Mourinho again in the post match interview he said all of RBL subs would get in the team.

Total respect for Dele Alli, he fronted up after the game spoke with clarity and intelligence he apologised to the fans and made a point to say it was a collective.
Mourinho is making us a laughing stock with comments like this .
 

Spurs_Bear

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Why hasn't Mourinho called out Lloris for that first half performance against RBL?

What can you say about Mourinho again in the post match interview he said all of RBL subs would get in the team.

Total respect for Dele Alli, he fronted up after the game spoke with clarity and intelligence he apologised to the fans and made a point to say it was a collective.

@Spurrific
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Why hasn't Mourinho called out Lloris for that first half performance against RBL?

What can you say about Mourinho again in the post match interview he said all of RBL subs would get in the team.

Total respect for Dele Alli, he fronted up after the game spoke with clarity and intelligence he apologised to the fans and made a point to say it was a collective.

This is worrying. He said similar when Sevilla knocked Man U out of the champions league and he had spent around £400m on 'his players' by then...
 

double0

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This is worrying. He said similar when Sevilla knocked Man U out of the champions league and he had spent around £400m on 'his players' by then...
We all saw when Mourinho first came in he talked about the time out of the game how he saw football from a different prospective that he'd made changes. In fairness the game against RBL was a step in the right direction football wise however Mourinho love affair with the media is disturbing he needs to shut up at times and concentrate at the job at hand. People look forward to hear Mourinho rather than watch his games.
 

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I'm sure this will get a few of the residents riled up but he wasn't this bad under Poch. Mourinho's style of management has not at all helped with him and seems like he's shutting down. He played more under Poch, was more influential and tried much harder. Thinking back to the Man City game early in the season and he was a monster defensively at the end of the game making tackle after tackle to stop their attacks.

I've no doubt Poch was a huge reason we were able to convince him to join and now he's got this new guy who calls him out to the press.

2 goals, 3 assists in 14 games under Poch. 0 goasl, 1 assist in 13 games under Mourinho. Its the managers job to make the most out of what he has available. Our record signing, and imo possibly our most talented player, has gone backwards under him and he seems like he'd rather make a point than try to make it work. To up his fitness he needs to play, to me its clear as day Ndombele needs to be encouraged rather than called out to give effort on the field. Play him as a 10 with Lo Celso and whoever else behind him doing all the running, we're already horrid defensively its not going to make any difference.
 
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