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Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

spursville

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Mourinho perhaps creating problems for himself by starting him. Surely he can see in training what Ndombele is lacking. Why not just drop him completely from match day squads and work with him and counsel him in private? Get him a psychologist if he needs one.
 

mano-obe

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On his day he is brilliant, but we don't see that enough. It's kind of like Dembele, a beast of a player but lacked that little bit more to go further, it took him years to become a big time player and first on the team sheet.

Classic Jose though, singaling out players. Either you prove him wrong or roll over
 

allatsea

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On his day he is brilliant, but we don't see that enough. It's kind of like Dembele, a beast of a player but lacked that little bit more to go further, it took him years to become a big time player and first on the team sheet.

Classic Jose though, singaling out players. Either you prove him wrong or roll over
I suspect Mourinho has tried being nice now he is trying something else. Obvious Ndombele is a huge talent but he just doesn't seem (at the moment) to want to be the best he can be. Might have to cut our losses in the summer. Very sad.
 

Shanks

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Weird one, has glimpses of being a better dembele at times, and then just shrugs around the pitch the next moment.

looks like he had 10 pints and 40 fags the night before ?
 

HodisGawd

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I've just watched the game back before I made this post, I wanted to make sure I was correct from the first time I watched the match as it was 4:30 am Aus time and you know how the brain works at that time.

Before I post this I want to say that I'm 100% a big Ndombele fan and that I don't want my bias towards him to influence the post, I'll try not to include it but I'm seething at the moment.

Now I might understand there are external things happening around the club in relation to Mourinho and Ndombele that we have no idea about but I'm going to stay strictly to this game we just played, the player, and the quotes post-match by Mourinho.

Ndombele

in short, I think he played a very decent game. I believe it was once he got caught in possession but other than that he was able to dribble past and beat a player or two on a few occasions. His passing was also solid. One of the very few players who actually had the nerve to play a forward pass. When he was pressured he almost 100% was able to one-touch to an open player, rarely giving cheap possession over. Now the big thing is his fitness level in the game and this is why I wanted to watch it back to make sure I was correct the first time. I DID NOT see a drop off of his level of fitness during the game, watching back it was also evident his defensive and offensive contribution in the 37 towards the end of the half was better than when he started the match. He was moving just as well as anyone and I could honestly not question that aspect of his game. I'm more than happy for anyone to call me out on that but I stand 100% confident.

Mourinho

this is where it gets ugly for me. firstly let's talk about the formation. This has been a problem for a while but the current Mourinho system DOES not facilitate for a player of the qualities that Ndombele possesses. I like to think of the midfield in our system as the centre of a sandwich where there is nothing within the sandwich. The back 3 essentially controls the possession, with the midfield dropping team but often covered by the opposition effectively running them out of the game hence the necessity of the defenders to play the ball up to the front 3 before we engage in the midfield who joins the attack. This system does not facilitate Ndombele and this is no knock on Winks but it's perfect for a no-frill midfielder who plays his back to the defense and is happy to one-touch and play a backward pass back to the CB. Ndombele is a forward passer, he is an acute dribbler who wants to beat his man and drive forward. it is totally everything what Mourinho is setting his midfield to do. His quotes today for me are not justified, and frankly rather appalling. He's totally taken no accountability of his tactics (or lack of) and instead shifted the blame on a young, very talented, but also vulnerable future star player for the club. This for me is why I'm so enraged.


feel free to not read this, or disagree with me. For me, this is the first instance I've seen of the toxicity that Mourinho brings to a football club and that United fans warned us about. I've seen a lot of people on twitter etc. say Mourinho is correct in his comments to Ndombele and like I said before he may be correct in his assessment as we don't see him outside of the football pitch but in this game, at that moment and with how everything was set up and he played it was 100% not justified.
This is interesting. Thank you.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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I guess if you're anti Mourinho this is out of order and so on.

Bollocks to the bloke. He needs telling, he was very likely told and now it's been repeated to the media, that's all.

Isn't he our record signing? What we've had from him is a fucking disgrace. I know with some players it takes time to settle but this isn't that, getting him on the pitch is an achievement and at a minimum the physical effort should still be there.

He's disappointed on every level, he's not delivered at all, glimpses of his ability here and there are about as good as it gets. The club put a lot of faith in him and he's letting everyone down big time, not least himself. This isn't so much about how he played yesterday but a reflection on what he's been giving the club all season long and I'm not sure why people are focusing on yesterday's performance. But if you must, look at how we played once he was absent. (not that the improvement was solely down to that)

It couldn't go on and its about time someone said something or would people have us just accept it. Mourinho was fucking spot on, you can almost guarantee he didn't say anything in his interview that he hasn't said to the player and its a fair bet that privately, a number of our players feel the same way.

But it's Mourinho, we've a slice if supporters who were waiting for something like this so here we are. As for the player, he either knuckles down and enjoys a career at the club or he can leave with a flea in his ear. And right now he'd be no loss other than financial.

I care much less about Mourinho and people gagging to have a pop who simply won't accept anything other than their agenda and very very much more about how we signed a player who makes a sloth look like a busy midfielder on speed. How was this not spotted. It's no wonder that levy is 'reluctant ' to spend money when this is (seemingly) what we get for our money every time we splash the cash. Reminds me of the 'value' we got from Bentley.
 
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pelayo59

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We’ll all be laughing about this when he puts in his motm performance in the CL final this year. Buzzing for it.

Tbh for me Ndombele is the key to beating Leipzig in Tuesday. If this words will motivate Ndombele to put masterclass we will be raving here how Jose managed this
 

Spurs_Bear

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Tbh for me Ndombele is the key to beating Leipzig in Tuesday. If this words will motivate Ndombele to put masterclass we will be raving here how Jose managed this
Yeah, he’s definitely going to be playing.

Seriously it’s like a parallel universe.
 

teedee

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Obviously I don’t know the full story, but from what I can see, Jose is not handling the Ndombele situation well. He’s destroying his confidence, which is clearly low anyway, by humiliating him in public to excuse awful team performances, for which there are many culprits.

He’s done it before with Shaw and it didn’t work.

Don’t like the Parrott stuff either.

It did work with Shaw. JM criticised Shaw for being overweight. Shaw changed his eating habits, worked on his weight issues, came back leaner and fitter and admitted that he (himself) had been at fault. He then made 40 appearances for Utd in Mourinho's last season with the club.

As for Parrott, well I would like to see him given more minutes, but JM hasn't criticised him, just said that he's young and not yet ready.
 

WiganSpur

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The change made was to the back line and to bring on Moura for an additional front player. All he did with the midfield was change the personnel. With that change we gained control because we had Lo Celso taking the ball under pressure and using it well, along with him doing the hard yards to take some pressure off our defence. Ndombele did none of that really, and it exposed Skipp who was chasing around trying to plug gaps after playing 2 hours of Football just 3 days ago.

It wasn’t the setup at all, it was the personnel.

Should give a shout out to Dier as well as that’s the best midfield performance from him in a long while.
Credit where credit is due regarding Dier. He was nipping in and out of tight spaces a lot better. Too early probably but a sign of some fitness I wonder?
 

ilikeost

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Ndombele is my favorite player. Being a slow, lazy, unathletic slob myself it's great seeing someone like me representing the club I love.
 

sidford

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How this put down of him is being reported by journalists also shows how anti Jose a number of them are.
Other than Alastair Gold have yet to read a piece or a post on twitter that tries to be balanced and uses common sense that what José said last night will have been said to the player and his entourage in private long before it's come to this.
His lack of effort in games has been incredible and is only now being recognised by majority due to the Neto clip but let's not kid ourselves he's been doing the same since he arrived which for an elite level footballer is not good enough.

I am not José's biggest fan but he's a far greater motivator / man manager than most managers plus with his contacts I'm sure he will have input from people who have worked with Tanguy before so if this is how he thinks we need to deal with Tanguy then fair enough because what he (and Poch) had done up to now hasn't worked.
 
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How this put down of him is being reported by journalists also shows how anti Jose a number of them are.
Other than Alastair Gold have yet to read a piece or a post on twitter that tries to be balanced and uses common sense that what José said last night
will have been said to the player and his entourage in private long before it's come to this.
His lack of effort in games has been incredible and is only now being recognised by majority due to the Neto clip but let's not kid ourselves he's been doing the same since he arrived which for an elite level footballer is not good enough.

I am not José's biggest fan but he's a far greater motivator / man manager than most managers plus with his contacts I'm sure he will have input from people who have worked with Tanguy before so if this is how he thinks we need to deal with Tanguy then fair enough because what he (and Poch) had done up to now hasn't worked.
Agree with what you have written and the key here is the bit in bold - the quote Vs what/how it is being reported is worlds apart.

I'd also like to thank the Beeb and they're take on the 'denied pen' that Dyche was rattling on about - no VAR controversy in this one? Yeah, and the Spurs go marching on.
 

spursfan77

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Jose protects players who deserve it and tells it like it is when they don’t. See Ndombele v Dier, Parrott v Skipp, etc.

Quotes from during the week. No coverage obviously.

Mourinho also says Tottenham’s numerous injuries have been “abnormal”, while results have been “unfair”. Regardless, he believes a better Tottenham will come.

“You see the matches we lost recently, and you see the margins; it was 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, then 1-1 and penalties,” he said. “Everything was small margins.

“We will turn - I believe in the boys.”
 
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