Jose Mourinho

Wheeler Dealer · Mar 5, 2020

Gb160 said:
Some will do no such thing, I find it absolutely ridiculous that some fans won't give one of the most decorated managers in the game any sort of time, especially when you consider the state of our squad right now.
We had five years of fur coat and no knickers, we finally get a winner in and after 4 months some are trying to hound him out of the club.

It's like some fans dont want success.

Your optimism is unquestionable

Gb160 · Mar 5, 2020

hakano said:
Jose also almost always leaves clubs in chaos after starting internal battles as it is always about him

Examples?

hakano said:
The negativity and constant whining is embarrassing for one of the highest paid managers in the world

Same could be said about our fanbase.

hatch · Mar 5, 2020

Spurs_S.A. said:
The squad is dead. It's going to take another window or two to sort this out. We were leaking goals while Poch was here and during Jose's first few games while playing attacking football. It seems Jose is trying to tighten up the defense. Let's give him a chance and see how it pans out. This is still not his team just yet. In all honesty looking at the football we played this year we don't deserve to be in the top 4, but would love it if we could sneak in. Season is a write off!!!

I think you can say that about the other teams chasing top that they don’t deserve it, it’s all up in the air.

hakano said:
Everybody wants success.

Jose has succeeded when backed. We have a chairman who has a track record of letting his managers down. Jose also almost always leaves clubs in chaos after starting internal battles as it is always about him. And now on to the actual football - it is awful, horrible to watch. The injuries are a convenient excuse. Sure they will have an affect, but we were playing shit before the injuries - we are outplayed by everyone we play. The players do not look like they are enjoying it either and yes I think it is fair that people expect more from Jose. The negativity and constant whining is embarrassing for one of the highest paid managers in the world. Despite all of this the biggest problem at the club is Levy.

Can I ask about Jose leaving clubs in chaos? I’m not being argumentative but I can’t recall him doing that. You could say poch left us in chaos. Also I think it’s ok for him to moan, if you take out the players we have lost to injury in most teams it will have an effect too.

Ionman34 · Mar 5, 2020

shelfboy68 said:
This is what might be causing some of the toxicity amongst the fanbase those who are poch lovers don't want anyone other than poch to succeed, as you know I was in favour of Jose coming in but would like to see a bit more structured football rather than the mess we are seeing.

We all would mate, there's no denying that it's not very pretty at the moment.
The only thing I will say here is that nothing worthwhile ever came easy. We went through the same angst when Poch first started and he turned it around. We had the naysayers slating him then until he won them over.

We had some incredible performances under Poch, but sadly never quite got to the promised land. He's gone now though, so it's time to get over him and learn from the reaction when he first started. Many got it wrong then, as time has proven.

You'd think that many would learn to keep their powder dry with regards to Mourinho too.

Sadly they don't seem to be able to get over the fact that he used to manage a team they hate.

kaz Hirai · Mar 5, 2020

hatch said:
I think you can say that about the other teams chasing top that they don’t deserve it, it’s all up in the air.

Can I ask about Jose leaving clubs in chaos? I’m not being argumentative but I can’t recall him doing that. You could say poch left us in chaos. Also I think it’s ok for him to moan, if you take out the players we have lost to injury in most teams it will have an effect too.

Haha really? Ask Chelsea and United fans what they thought of his final season before sacking was like , and look at the league positions and results
Doesn't take much effort to check on Google

Gb160 · Mar 5, 2020

kaz Hirai said:
Haha really? Ask Chelsea and United fans what they thought of his final season before sacking was like , and look at the league positions and results
Doesn't take much effort to check on Google

Didn't Chelsea win the league the season after he left?
I'd take some of that chaos lol.

bomberH · Mar 5, 2020

kaz Hirai said:
Haha really? Ask Chelsea and United fans what they thought of his final season before sacking was like , and look at the league positions and results
Doesn't take much effort to check on Google

Chelsea?? He can fuck us over as much as he wants if he wins 3 premier leagues with us too!!

Utd was his only real ‘failure’ even though there were mitigating factors there. I think you’ll find he is still very much loved at Porto, Madrid and Inter.

I hate the football we’re playing at the moment but we need to give him a couple of seasons to show what he can do with his squad. If it doesn’t work out then it’s not like we’ll have a bunch of shit players for the next manager to work with. We can’t just sack managers for a bad few weeks when 3 of our best players have been out for some time (Lloris).

matthew.absurdum · Mar 5, 2020

Gb160 said:
Didn't Chelsea win the league the season after he left?
I'd take some of that chaos lol.

Moreover, the only meaningful player that they bought in that season was Pedro. After that season, they bought Kante (!), Alonso and David Luiz (and Batshuayi, well), and won the league

hatch · Mar 5, 2020

kaz Hirai said:
Haha really? Ask Chelsea and United fans what they thought of his final season before sacking was like , and look at the league positions and results
Doesn't take much effort to check on Google

I don’t know any united fans but if my memory serves me right Jose took over from Van gaal who took over from moyes of whom both were never really excepted by the faithful. I could agree the job never went swimmingly but chaos is quite strong and he picked up a couple of pots. As Chelsea fans, well that’s all got to say on the matter.

Lighty64 · Mar 5, 2020

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
What do any of you think Poch would’ve done differently in this situation? We were 14th in the table, eliminated by Colchester in the EFL Cup, he’d allegedly lost the dressing room, we’d been on the backend of an absolute battering at home to Bayern, we’d only won once away from home in an entire calendar year and that was with a mostly fresh squad, nowhere near the level of injuries we have now.

I’m putting anyone on ignore who stupidly argues that he “deserved time”.

that is the biggest load of crap I've ever seen posted especially when taking in the calendar year. we were suffering with 5-6 injuries from January to May. we started the season without Son and Foyth due to suspension, Dier has had a terrible year with injuries and didn't play his 1st minutes until we played Colchester, both Sessengnon and GLC were both injured at the start, Davies was recovering from an operation, Jan, Toby, Rose, and Eriksen might as well of been sent to Coventry, Lloris got injured pretty early.

Ionman34 · Mar 5, 2020

Gb160 said:
Didn't Chelsea win the league the season after he left?
I'd take some of that chaos lol.

He didn't leave Utd in "chaos" either. He inherited a poor Utd squad, got them performing above their level then got undermined by a board that signed players for their commercial profile.

Admittedly some of his buys weren't great, but seriously, who thought that getting Sanchez for Mkhitaryan (sp) was a bad deal? Absolutely NO ONE saw Sanchez's form falling off a cliff, and that wasn't down to JM either as Sanchez is struggling for games on loan.

The rhetoric used as a stick to beat Mourinho with is both ridiculous and untrue. Invariably he leaves a club in a better position than it was when he joined it.

Gb160 · Mar 5, 2020

Ionman34 said:
He didn't leave Utd in "chaos" either. He inherited a poor Utd squad, got them performing above their level then got undermined by a board that signed players for their commercial profile.

Admittedly some of his buys weren't great, but seriously, who thought that getting Sanchez for Mkhitaryan (sp) was a bad deal? Absolutely NO ONE saw Sanchez's form falling off a cliff, and that wasn't down to JM either as Sanchez is struggling for games on loan.

The rhetoric used as a stick to beat Mourinho with is both ridiculous and untrue. Invariably he leaves a club in a better position than it was when he joined it.

It's like people don't actually pay attention to the football, and just repeat the media and fan rhetoric like parrots.

ClintEastwould · Mar 5, 2020

Gb160 said:
It's like people don't actually pay attention to the football, and just repeat the media and fan rhetoric like parrots.

Isn’t one of the major arguments that we are actually paying attention to the football and it’s fucking shit?

Gb160 · Mar 5, 2020

ClintEastwould said:
Isn’t one of the major arguments that we are actually paying attention to the football and it’s fucking shit?

Not sure anyone is arguing that it's not right now, but you've completely taken what I've said out of context, so well done for that.

ClintEastwould · Mar 5, 2020

Gb160 said:
Not sure anyone is arguing that it's not right now, but you've completely taken what I've said out of context, so well done for that.

Hmm seems you’re right but outta context. Moving on...

hakano · Mar 5, 2020

hatch said:
I think you can say that about the other teams chasing top that they don’t deserve it, it’s all up in the air.

Can I ask about Jose leaving clubs in chaos? I’m not being argumentative but I can’t recall him doing that. You could say poch left us in chaos. Also I think it’s ok for him to moan, if you take out the players we have lost to injury in most teams it will have an effect too.

Question mark at Real Madrid. Chelsea and United are the two most recent examples.

hatch · Mar 5, 2020

hakano said:
Question mark at Real Madrid. Chelsea and United are the two most recent examples.

In what way were they left in chaos ?

kaz Hirai · Mar 5, 2020

bomberH said:
Chelsea?? He can fuck us over as much as he wants if he wins 3 premier leagues with us too!!

Utd was his only real ‘failure’ even though there were mitigating factors there. I think you’ll find he is still very much loved at Porto, Madrid and Inter.

I hate the football we’re playing at the moment but we need to give him a couple of seasons to show what he can do with his squad. If it doesn’t work out then it’s not like we’ll have a bunch of shit players for the next manager to work with. We can’t just sack managers for a bad few weeks when 3 of our best players have been out for some time (Lloris).

Chelsea were 16th in the league 1 point above relegation when he was sacked

United sacked him after gaining 26 points from 17 games leaving them deep in mid table after a near £400 million spend. Their worst points haul from 17 games since before the premier League began

As well as fallouts with players in both those spells.
So yeah he's been successful too but don't pretend he hasn't left bad tastes at those clubs . You think either set of fans would want him back?

rossdapep · Mar 5, 2020

mpickard2087 said:
That's revisionism in itself though, it has to be said. We were inconsistent that year, but partly because Poch initially gave senior players a chance and they tried their best to fuck him over not buying into tactics or training methods. When he just said fuck it, and effectively started from scratch with the likes of Kane, Mason, Bentaleb etc. we still weren't the finished article but you saw glimpses, we started pressing hard etc. and showed 10 times the fight we were accustomed to from any Spurs' teams, and the side was morphing into a team in his image and progressing. And that Arsenal game at WHL where we battered the absolute fuck out of them and eventually turned the game around is still probably what I consider the best performance I saw from us under Poch in terms of energy, aggression, and high press working perfectly.

Anyway, back to Mourinho.....

Yeah that Arsenal performance was great but it also came as a massive surprise as the weeks up to that point had been very uninspiring.

There was some little green shoots but I remember loads of terrible performances with the younger players you mentioned.

Stoke away 0-3
Leicester 4-3
Burnley 0-0 (paulinho game)
United 0-3
West Ham 2 -2
Villa 0-1

I think if it wasnt for the emergence of Kane, we'd have finished midtable.

I remember feeling we were a million miles away and the season after was an extremely pleasant surprise. Although. even the beginning of that season was mixed, losing to United before drawing 3 (Stoke, Leicester & Everton). Thankfully it all clicked in that City game where we hammered them 4-1 and I think from that moment we all felt something was happening.

That's why we need to be patient. The majority of people weren't impressed with Poch as our choice, many moaned their way through his first season as it looked directionless and many were still unsure if he was the right man well over a year later.

Its why Jose needs at the very least until November/Xmas. Even then it may be a bad idea to switch as it's not exactly to get a hiring midseason.

Phomesy · Mar 5, 2020

Gb160 said:
Some will do no such thing, I find it absolutely ridiculous that some fans won't give one of the most decorated managers in the game any sort of time, especially when you consider the state of our squad right now.
We had five years of fur coat and no knickers, we finally get a winner in and after 4 months some are trying to hound him out of the club.

It's like some fans dont want success.

You can't help yourself can you? Don't you understand that slagging off the Poch years just causes more people to hate Mourinho more.

I want Mourinho to have time and to succeed. But I understand that promising that will happen is bullshit.

You keep promising success while slagging off a period of actual tangible progression as "not success".

You promise the sun while we just need to see green shoots for the future.

You're the worst Mourinho advocate ever. You make it harder for sensible people to calm the waters.

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