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Match Prediction

  • Spurs win to go 4th

    Votes: 54 29.0%
  • Chelsea win to stay 4th

    Votes: 80 43.0%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 37 19.9%
  • Goal less Draw

    Votes: 15 8.1%

  • Total voters
    186
  • Poll closed .

SPURSLIFE

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Jul 21, 2011
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In the short term, yes. In the long term, absolutely not. Those profits go back into the club. ENIC have taken I believe one divident in their entire time and that was about 15 years ago. We probably could have been a Leicester, won something, then returned to mid-table once the current squad was done with. Money means everything these days as much as I wish it didn't. We're trying instead to be a club that can compete at the top continually, even if it does mean a bad year or two right now, and use that position to win things consistently. We've brought in the manager to try and do that. Let's hope he pulls it off.
Leicester haven't "returned to mid table" they will be in the CL next season will we? There's also a possibility Sheffield Utd could also be. I don't think I could live with that.
 

midoshairband

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Apr 25, 2006
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We actually have more passes than Chelsea and played less long balls than them. Shocked that people here are not happy with that when week ago they were moaning about this stats.

when the stats don’t for the the rhetoric, they are easy to ignore ?
 

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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Leicester haven't "returned to mid table" they will be in the CL next season will we? There's also a possibility Sheffield Utd could also be. I don't think I could live with that.
Well you know who is to blame the team has been allowed to fall away because we didn't invest enough.
 

U.S. Spurs Fan

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Aug 21, 2013
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I think realistically the season is pretty much over. If Son or Kane were coming back soon, then maybe there would be hope. That's not happening though and as such, we seem to be screwed based on last three games.

Poch was right and Levy didn't listen. I think he is at fault more for who he didn't get rid of rather that who he didn't bring in. The contract extensions for Toby and Moussa were ridiculous given their age. Eriksen situation should have been taken care of much earlier. Recognizing players that are not up to snuff like Dier and selling them when they still have value hasn't happened in a long while. That being said, the 18 months of no transfers in is still ridiculous and will likely never be repeated ever by a Champions League level club.

I just hope they decide to get Parrott and maybe Skipp into games here down the stretch because honestly, I don't think it can get much worse that it is right now. At least give the fans something to be excited about, as the style of play we are watching is beyond dreadful (not blaming Jose but it is what it is).

I think our "Golden Era" is sadly passed. Our best player will be 27 next season and has had significant injuries in seemingly each of the past three or four seasons. Our second best player in Son will be 28 at start of next season and perhaps is due to slow down. We need a LB, RB, DM, a backup CB, a backup striker, and perhaps another pacey winger. We also have quite a few players that are too old (Sissoko, Toby, Jan, eventually Hugo) or not good enough (Dier, Aurier, maybe Winks) that need to be sold. How this all gets done in a speedy manner with Levy in charge is beyond me.

I just keep thinking we had our moment as a group with Poch and the young players we had and we simply blew it. We didn't push on when we should have. Now we have a manager that is a known grouch and will likely not be here more than a year or two. We went from having one of the brighteat futures in the league to one that is a lot bleaker. It's all just quite sad.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Judge them head to head when Jose has HIS squad, not whilst he's in the very early process.

Klopp, Pep and Jose at United all had similar issues on their first season. Losing to novice coaches or even the likes of Allardyce.

This isn't Lampards squad either. He hasn't been able to sign any players. In fact Jose has signed more players than him so far.
 

VancouverSpur

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Aug 26, 2010
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We need to play with a proper DCM it’s so obvious and has been for so long that it’s beyond a joke now. Playing 5 at the back and hoofing the ball long to no one in particular to solve the problem of not having a ball playing DCM is no solution.

Yes we miss Dembele as he could take pressure off the midfield with his ball retention but he has been gone a year. That’s 2 and a half transfer windows, ample opportunity to bring in someone.

Same with the backup striker situation it just boggles my mind we didn’t bring anyone in when it’s such an obvious positional priority. It borders on giving up before even starting as we are always one or two injuries from being fucked
 

TonyS

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Feb 28, 2005
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At least we won't get relegated, seeing as we are on that magical 40pts??Knowing our shit luck, we will though
 

ljinko888

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Judge them head to head when Jose has HIS squad, not whilst he's in the very early process.

Klopp, Pep and Jose at United all had similar issues on their first season. Losing to novice coaches or even the likes of Allardyce.

Lampard might just have his number. His Derby team knocked Jose's United team out of the League Cup last season at Old Trafford.
 

SugarRay

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Jul 6, 2011
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I think realistically the season is pretty much over. If Son or Kane were coming back soon, then maybe there would be hope. That's not happening though and as such, we seem to be screwed based on last three games.

Poch was right and Levy didn't listen. I think he is at fault more for who he didn't get rid of rather that who he didn't bring in. The contract extensions for Toby and Moussa were ridiculous given their age. Eriksen situation should have been taken care of much earlier. Recognizing players that are not up to snuff like Dier and selling them when they still have value hasn't happened in a long while. That being said, the 18 months of no transfers in is still ridiculous and will likely never be repeated ever by a Champions League level club.

I just hope they decide to get Parrott and maybe Skipp into games here down the stretch because honestly, I don't think it can get much worse that it is right now. At least give the fans something to be excited about, as the style of play we are watching is beyond dreadful (not blaming Jose but it is what it is).

I think our "Golden Era" is sadly passed. Our best player will be 27 next season and has had significant injuries in seemingly each of the past three or four seasons. Our second best player in Son will be 28 at start of next season and perhaps is due to slow down. We need a LB, RB, DM, a backup CB, a backup striker, and perhaps another pacey winger. We also have quite a few players that are too old (Sissoko, Toby, Jan, eventually Hugo) or not good enough (Dier, Aurier, maybe Winks) that need to be sold. How this all gets done in a speedy manner with Levy in charge is beyond me.

I just keep thinking we had our moment as a group with Poch and the young players we had and we simply blew it. We didn't push on when we should have. Now we have a manager that is a known grouch and will likely not be here more than a year or two. We went from having one of the brighteat futures in the league to one that is a lot bleaker. It's all just quite sad.


It’s not all doom and gloom. The Poch side was maybe the second best side I’ve seen for us ( Harry had a better side that underachieved, maybe not better as such but more entertaining ) but, they always fell at the last couple of hurdles.
It was still highly enjoyable but this isn’t like we are breaking up an Uber successful side with loads of honours to their name. Ultimately, they wasn’t good enough

I’m very intrigued with how we approach it for next season. Will Jose be properly backed? I’m talking at least two/three new first team players, not squad cover etc, proper straight in to the first XI level of player.
If so I think we’ll be more than fine. If not? Same old nearly men at best
 

VancouverSpur

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So tiring to read all these takes about the striker issue. Did anyone of you watch the games where we had both Kane and Son on the pitch? We played the exact same turgid, piss poor football. 11 men behind the ball and Son basically filled in as a right-back when we sat back. This goes way beyond having a striker or not. It's the overarching philosophy Mourinho & co brings, and always has. It was exactly the same at Man Utd and Chelsea for the second stint. People expecting some sort of renaissance just because we get an above-average back-up striker in for next season are in for a rude awakening. The best-case scenario over the next 2-3 years is basically a better version of what we saw today. Defensive, absorb pressure & counter football. If that's what you want and enjoy seeing week in week out, that's obviously completely fine, but don't argue against people realizing this fact, as if there's this amazing football around the corner just waiting to happen as soon as "he gets his players!" and "has a full preseason!".

It's the reason he got the sack from Real, and it's also the reason he completely unraveled at Utd and Chelsea.
Levy wanted Jose from way back when. I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt even though I would have preferred a younger more dynamic manager.

My concern is we are playing the same brand of football that got him sacked at Man Utd. There was a lot of talk that he had taken a break and was bringing a new approach and style of management but to me it looks the same old Jose tactics of absorb pressure and nick a goal or two. I don’t see a radically new approach in any shape or form.

Perhaps this will change once the season is over but when introducing your style of football to a new club you start with it from the beginning and grow. So I am reticent to believe Jose will somehow radically change his approach next season . I pray I am wrong as what we are seeing right now is classic old school Mourinho in his final season with other clubs.
 

shelfboy68

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I think realistically the season is pretty much over. If Son or Kane were coming back soon, then maybe there would be hope. That's not happening though and as such, we seem to be screwed based on last three games.

Poch was right and Levy didn't listen. I think he is at fault more for who he didn't get rid of rather that who he didn't bring in. The contract extensions for Toby and Moussa were ridiculous given their age. Eriksen situation should have been taken care of much earlier. Recognizing players that are not up to snuff like Dier and selling them when they still have value hasn't happened in a long while. That being said, the 18 months of no transfers in is still ridiculous and will likely never be repeated ever by a Champions League level club.

I just hope they decide to get Parrott and maybe Skipp into games here down the stretch because honestly, I don't think it can get much worse that it is right now. At least give the fans something to be excited about, as the style of play we are watching is beyond dreadful (not blaming Jose but it is what it is).

I think our "Golden Era" is sadly passed. Our best player will be 27 next season and has had significant injuries in seemingly each of the past three or four seasons. Our second best player in Son will be 28 at start of next season and perhaps is due to slow down. We need a LB, RB, DM, a backup CB, a backup striker, and perhaps another pacey winger. We also have quite a few players that are too old (Sissoko, Toby, Jan, eventually Hugo) or not good enough (Dier, Aurier, maybe Winks) that need to be sold. How this all gets done in a speedy manner with Levy in charge is beyond me.

I just keep thinking we had our moment as a group with Poch and the young players we had and we simply blew it. We didn't push on when we should have. Now we have a manager that is a known grouch and will likely not be here more than a year or two. We went from having one of the brighteat futures in the league to one that is a lot bleaker. It's all just quite sad.
We as a club always just miss out on something it's standard fayre now and everyone is used to the excuses that get banded around after each and every failure.
Chelsea have a rookie manager who has had Jose over twice this season and despite their poor home record again they have too much for us the result before the game started was obvious.
It will be interesting to see how the attendance figures may drop off seeing as we are going to struggle to buy a win now and with no European football next season there will be even less money to spend the future is not bright and the wallet will be tight.
 

handsomecake

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All the talk of not signing a good striker because no one will want to play second fiddle to Kane......... Kane is odds on to be injured like this from now on. Who's to say the new striker won't be the main man.
 

For the love of Spurs

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Mar 28, 2015
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I think realistically the season is pretty much over. If Son or Kane were coming back soon, then maybe there would be hope. That's not happening though and as such, we seem to be screwed based on last three games.

Poch was right and Levy didn't listen. I think he is at fault more for who he didn't get rid of rather that who he didn't bring in. The contract extensions for Toby and Moussa were ridiculous given their age. Eriksen situation should have been taken care of much earlier. Recognizing players that are not up to snuff like Dier and selling them when they still have value hasn't happened in a long while. That being said, the 18 months of no transfers in is still ridiculous and will likely never be repeated ever by a Champions League level club.

I just hope they decide to get Parrott and maybe Skipp into games here down the stretch because honestly, I don't think it can get much worse that it is right now. At least give the fans something to be excited about, as the style of play we are watching is beyond dreadful (not blaming Jose but it is what it is).

I think our "Golden Era" is sadly passed. Our best player will be 27 next season and has had significant injuries in seemingly each of the past three or four seasons. Our second best player in Son will be 28 at start of next season and perhaps is due to slow down. We need a LB, RB, DM, a backup CB, a backup striker, and perhaps another pacey winger. We also have quite a few players that are too old (Sissoko, Toby, Jan, eventually Hugo) or not good enough (Dier, Aurier, maybe Winks) that need to be sold. How this all gets done in a speedy manner with Levy in charge is beyond me.

I just keep thinking we had our moment as a group with Poch and the young players we had and we simply blew it. We didn't push on when we should have. Now we have a manager that is a known grouch and will likely not be here more than a year or two. We went from having one of the brighteat futures in the league to one that is a lot bleaker. It's all just quite sad.

your post makes me sad.:(
 

shelfboy68

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All the talk of not signing a good striker because no one will want to play second fiddle to Kane......... Kane is odds on to be injured like this from now on. Who's to say the new striker won't be the main man.
This was always a nonsense excuse brought up by levy suck arses who claim that your not allowed to buy another striker because they won't sit on the bench.
But Barcelona didn't say no to Suarez or neymar because Messi was there.
 

Nebby

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Still 12 games to go, so maybe Jose can get a tune out of them. But blimey this squad needs work.
 

glacierSpurs

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I think realistically the season is pretty much over. If Son or Kane were coming back soon, then maybe there would be hope. That's not happening though and as such, we seem to be screwed based on last three games.

Poch was right and Levy didn't listen. I think he is at fault more for who he didn't get rid of rather that who he didn't bring in. The contract extensions for Toby and Moussa were ridiculous given their age. Eriksen situation should have been taken care of much earlier. Recognizing players that are not up to snuff like Dier and selling them when they still have value hasn't happened in a long while. That being said, the 18 months of no transfers in is still ridiculous and will likely never be repeated ever by a Champions League level club.

I just hope they decide to get Parrott and maybe Skipp into games here down the stretch because honestly, I don't think it can get much worse that it is right now. At least give the fans something to be excited about, as the style of play we are watching is beyond dreadful (not blaming Jose but it is what it is).

I think our "Golden Era" is sadly passed. Our best player will be 27 next season and has had significant injuries in seemingly each of the past three or four seasons. Our second best player in Son will be 28 at start of next season and perhaps is due to slow down. We need a LB, RB, DM, a backup CB, a backup striker, and perhaps another pacey winger. We also have quite a few players that are too old (Sissoko, Toby, Jan, eventually Hugo) or not good enough (Dier, Aurier, maybe Winks) that need to be sold. How this all gets done in a speedy manner with Levy in charge is beyond me.

I just keep thinking we had our moment as a group with Poch and the young players we had and we simply blew it. We didn't push on when we should have. Now we have a manager that is a known grouch and will likely not be here more than a year or two. We went from having one of the brighteat futures in the league to one that is a lot bleaker. It's all just quite sad.
I agree to your points, but seeing Bergwijn, GLC, Sess and Ndombele as our permanent players signed, Gedson hopefully to be added on, Tanganga being blooded, Gazza getting heaps of experience already, in such a shot span of 3 months since Mourinho came in - shouldn't all these being positively looked at? That is half of a bloody good team already, not including the likes of Kane, Dele, Son and possibly Lamela to top up the experience.

It is really not like the change is only taking place comes end of this season. At least encouragingly, we are already progressing to change., again, from just a span of 3 months. Addressing the defence and attack will definitely be a priority and on paper, we are definitely not in a very bad state of completing another jigsaw puzzle.

I am just very concerned of moving on some of the squad, and older, players like Sissoko, Dier, Verts, Wanyama, Foyth etc...
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Only caught the last 25 mins of the game but the goal side we didn’t look great.

How were we generally?
did we set up 5-3-2?
Was it classic low block and long balls again? Zzzz
 

Nebby

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I'd start with a boot up the jacksie for most of them, followed by a video of players playing for clubs with passion.

nice idea but not sure it would make much difference. I’ve never been a fan of Lamela, but today he looked like the only player who would run through walls for the club. Shocking really. I bet Jose can’t quite believe what he’s got.
 
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