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Match Prediction

  • Spurs win to go 4th

    Votes: 54 29.0%
  • Chelsea win to stay 4th

    Votes: 80 43.0%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 37 19.9%
  • Goal less Draw

    Votes: 15 8.1%

  • Total voters
    186
  • Poll closed .

Thewobbler

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Sorry but Kane is a huge part of the problem. Undroppable for all the wrong reasons meaning we have no back up as no one will come. Tell Me now we would be worse off with Piątek or Giroud.

Hes not the problem, the problem is the managers who refuse to rest him or take him off if we have a comfortable lead.
 

theShiznit

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So both the 'expert' ref and commentators agreed it wasn't a sending off as Gio was trying to drag the ball around.
Now they're rewriting things are they?

Can he get retrospectively banned if the ref had already dealt with it?

Just another nail in (this incarnation of) VAR's coffin.
 

Saoirse

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I think you can admit Mourinho got it wrong today without having to strawman the point into something else just to fit in whatever preconceived thought you wanted to share
No, I don't think he got that sub wrong. Out of Skipp, Gedson or Aurier to bring on, I'd have also chosen Aurier given that he's occasionally offerred an attacking threat from RWB. What change would you have made?
 

Haddock

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The issue I have with Haaland is, he was available for a good price, in January. Sure it means we have to agree to a release clause but it would still be higher than what we paid.

More importantly he would have have scored us fucking goals. Goals. The things we don’t ever look scoring but look like letting in every five fucking minutes.

A big part of Håland choice of club was down to playing time. He wanted to be the designated striker, not a stop gap, not a secondary one and so forth.

He rejected Man United for this very reason. Despite his fellow Norwegian Ole being in charge.
 

rupsmith

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Does anybody actually remember Poch's first season? Taking over from a squad with a lot of issues at the time, and trying to integrate a pretty large number of new players? It wasn't brilliant, we didn't finish anywhere close to 4th, we didn't win a trophy, we didn't play fantastically all the time. And he had the fortune of a world-class, highly mature and dedicated striker breaking through. Mourinho has only been here four months. It's way, way too early to judge whether he'll be a success or not.

Agreed with your point on Jose. But he’s done well thus far. Third best results in the league before this game. We will be good under him in my view
 

leray

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The issue I have with Haaland is, he was available for a good price, in January. Sure it means we have to agree to a release clause but it would still be higher than what we paid.

More importantly he would have have scored us fucking goals. Goals. The things we don’t ever look scoring but look like letting in every five fucking minutes.

He wasn't available for a good price in January. He had a low release clause, yes, but you'd still have to pay enormous money to his agent, Mino Raiola. That's the guy that works for Pogba and Ibrahimovic. That prick, exactly.

Borussia got him for 50 mil euros. 25 to Salzburg and 25 to Raiola and Haaland's father. United didn't want to pay that kind of money. We wouldn't either.

Even if we would, it'd still be tough to get him, because he will obviously be an understudy for Kane. In Dortmund, he plays almost every game. And in two years, he'll go to Real/Barcelona/United/City that will pay 150 mil to Dortmund and 100 mil to Raiola and Haaland's father.
 

ardiles

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Nov 24, 2006
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What our players are lacking is fire in their bellies. Only Lamela had loads of it today and whenever he plays.
 

wirE

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Can we please for once agree that the 3-5 back line is not working out? I mean, coming to Stamford Bridge hoping to grind out a point? Fuvk me that was some poor football to watch. Ruined my weekend
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Sep 2, 2013
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Not really

Posts are a joke
That’s right. Identify my posts, amongst the dozens and dozens and dozens of others lambasting our performance today, and target mine and mine only. That’s classic Facebook witch-hunting; if the problem is too big to face, find someone to blame and insult and target them.

I don’t have an issue with anyone criticising my points, but do it in a constructive, meaningful way. Not some self-righteous, sanctimonious froth of anger and ire
 

dricha1

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They have changed. We're one of the top spenders in world football this season. You can say it's unfortunate timing and we need another year of that at least, or that our management didn't spend it on the right priorities, but to accuse the board of not investing when they've spent big money on Lo Celso, Ndombele, Gedson, Clarke, Sessegnon and Bergwijn this year is just silly. Time to leave the past in the past.

whilst I agree with some of this, yes the board have “loosened” the purse strings, however the squad building is very poor and on their shoulders. Whoever decided to let Llorente go without a replacement made a very poor decision, even more so to try and get him to stay by halving his wages. Penny pinching of the highest order.

We also pander to Kane to much...this “he must play every single minute when available” is harming the squad development. No other club has that situation surely? To say we can’t have a decent striker to act as Kane’s replacement is an excuse. You can you just have to pay for them.
 

cider spurs

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Pretty much played out the way I thought it would. Don't get the lack of intensity, especially with it being a derby and what was at stake.

Lamela appears to have the appetite when he comes on, why is it seldom seen from the off by some others. Irks me.

Lo Celso had a go, lucky not to see red, I thought Ndombele was broken numerous times. That hand in the face, a toddler would've been proud of a slap like that.

Didn’t think Chelsea were all that, but of course, the season they're looking really crap, we have to actually go backwards and actually play worse than them.

Poch certainly wasn't lying with regards to the rebuild. Of course Mourinho hasn't had a pre season, been here only a short while, and never ending injuries to contend with.

But it's clear to see that a few are not cutting it, and or, are past their best. Big few windows one thinks. That's if there are funds available and released.
 

benaudere

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Kids with little to no experience and zero match fitness aren't the immediate answer either. There isn't a holy grail. We've been poory managed for a while one way or another whether you want to blame Poch or Levy (I don't think either are faultless). It's going to take a while.
That's really on the manager isn't it? You work with the youngsters, get them to match fitness so that they are able to give the senior players a run for their money. I was expecting Jose to come in with fresh ideas, game plans but all I see is a leaking defence and a non-existent midfield and putting players at their wrong positions. I am not seeing a difference in both Jose and Poch's management at the moment.
 

SugarRay

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Jul 6, 2011
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A big part of Håland choice of club was down to playing time. He wanted to be the designated striker, not a stop gap, not a secondary one and so forth.

He rejected Man United for this very reason. Despite his fellow Norwegian Ole being in charge.


I didn’t know this. I also think he’d 100% work with Kane too so would still have been a great signing
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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Despite all the injury problems, the hectic schedule and all other excuses that the apologists can come up with, we should be performing better than we are. We are so bad to watch and make so many poor decisions.
Not sure that anyone is being an apologist. I think that people are just saying that in the overall scheme of things, a bit of patience is needed. No-one is happy with the way that things are - it's just that some people didn't want Mourinho and feel vindicated by the current situation and some feel that he needs time to get things right. If things are not noticeably better by the back end of this year then I would be very surprised if anyone is making excuses for him then.
 

SugarRay

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He wasn't available for a good price in January. He had a low release clause, yes, but you'd still have to pay enormous money to his agent, Mino Raiola. That's the guy that works for Pogba and Ibrahimovic. That prick, exactly.

Borussia got him for 50 mil euros. 25 to Salzburg and 25 to Raiola and Haaland's father. United didn't want to pay that kind of money. We wouldn't either.

Even if we would, it'd still be tough to get him, because he will obviously be an understudy for Kane. In Dortmund, he plays almost every game. And in two years, he'll go to Real/Barcelona/United/City that will pay 150 mil to Dortmund and 100 mil to Raiola and Haaland's father.


Doesn’t he have a 50mEUR release at Dortmund?
 
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