Shadydan
Well-Known Member
- Jul 7, 2012
- 38,247
- 104,143
And somehow those 4 wins allowed us to have the 2nd best record points wise in the league since Jose arrived, I see.
It's never us, always them...
Jose Mourinho
- Thread starter TwanYid
- Start date
And somehow those 4 wins allowed us to have the 2nd best record points wise in the league since Jose arrived, I see.
It's never us, always them...
Shadydan
Well-Known Member
- Jul 7, 2012
- 38,247
- 104,143
And I rebuttald it ? ...
It's okay to agree to disagree you know, you don't need to have the last word you know, safe to say I think you're talking balls though.
For the love of Spurs
Well-Known Member
- Mar 28, 2015
- 3,444
- 11,252
it’s not complicated, this isn’t rocket science.
Dembele was a hugely inconsistent player pre Poch and Lamela hardly had the best start to his Spurs career. Liverpool don’t play much with an out and out creative AM much of their threat comes from full back.
that systems allows two very fast full backs to attack, it’s gives Soldado a strike partner which is required to play him, it give Townsend more freedom to use his pace and trickery. That team had some very average players but it looks well balanced considering.
you don’t have to agree with Hoddle but he is not stupid.
Last edited:
Shadydan
Well-Known Member
- Jul 7, 2012
- 38,247
- 104,143
Exactly not rocket science but a rocket scientist who knows absolutely nothing about football could have told you that there's zero creativity in that midfield and Andros was no playmaker so how would Defoe and Soldado get the ball?, speaking of those two they are two minature yet similar players so who would hold the ball up? Dembele and Sandro formed an excellent partnership under AVB so why is Paulinho all of a sudden a better option?
Funny how you missed out Eriksen as well but nevermind we'll ignore it just because it makes your argument look weak, don't worry I got you.
And you're talking about inconsistent players yet you're talking up Soldado as if he was Harry Kane lol give over, please don't try and justify it because it's a load of nonsense, Glenn was chatting pure bile and you know it.
slartibartfast
Grunge baby forever
- Oct 21, 2012
- 18,320
- 33,955
Seems theres someone who absolutely must have the last word lol.
Gb160
Well done boys. Good process
- Jun 20, 2012
- 23,667
- 93,388
The thread has now peaked
For the love of Spurs
Well-Known Member
- Mar 28, 2015
- 3,444
- 11,252
How does Soldado get the ball, easy when you have two full backs playing high giving width and crossing. Soldado was also an excellent passer despite his flaws and worked well in a two and Dembele pre Poch I remember people talking about selling him such where some of his performances admittedly often due to terrible fitness. In the context of the squad and Hoddles style of play it wasn’t the worst.
would I have used Eriksen for Townsend, probably but the use of attacking full backs, giving Soldado a strike partner to get the best out of him and giving Townsend more freedom in behind was a view point.
Shadydan
Well-Known Member
- Jul 7, 2012
- 38,247
- 104,143
Crossing? lol Soldado is 5'10 and Defoe 5'7 ffs and we're talking about Rose and Walker who were nothing like Trent and Robertson in terms of accuracy
I don't know where this Soldado passing thing has come from, we're talking about creativity and hold up play, his hold up play was okay but he was weak and you want him in the box, same as Defoe so who comes short for the ball?
Dembele pre poch was him with Sandro under AVB who provided an excellent base to shield under our defence, this was the season when AVB got sacked, you do realise you're comparing Dembele to Paulinho...why are you doing that and what is the actual point, even back then Paulinho was inconsistent and turned out to be trash.
The only thing that made sense was the attacking full backs which again was hardly revolutionary.
Ronwol196061
Well-Known Member
- Apr 9, 2018
- 3,925
- 3,646
The fact that Mourinho is honest in his press conferences gives me hope. The fact that he can admit he made mistakes helps. He did take Dier off after 22 minutes in the week he lauded Dier big time. I haven't seen anything to say he is a brilliant tactician or the opposite. He needs more time to be fair.
Every manager has a style to the way they are used to playng. Yes they all adjust somewhat but when coming into the club its hard to take over with a certain set of players add to that the injuries etc. Its not ideal.
Up to now the biggest problem has been the lack of strength in midfield,a key component of Mourinhos game. He is frustrated with NDombele while respecting his talent as he needs a take charge player at DM and Ndombele is more tuned in to being a CM.
Again I hold onto the notion that his frankness will get him through,and that trait will also allow him to still learn from his mistakes
Every manager has a style to the way they are used to playng. Yes they all adjust somewhat but when coming into the club its hard to take over with a certain set of players add to that the injuries etc. Its not ideal.
Up to now the biggest problem has been the lack of strength in midfield,a key component of Mourinhos game. He is frustrated with NDombele while respecting his talent as he needs a take charge player at DM and Ndombele is more tuned in to being a CM.
Again I hold onto the notion that his frankness will get him through,and that trait will also allow him to still learn from his mistakes
KikoSpurs
Well-Known Member
- Aug 8, 2019
- 379
- 936
Ngl but today was the first day that I thought about the decision to sign Mourinho. I understand we won't be a possession based team but the first half wasn't a massacre because of Hugo Lloris.
I love his man management and the way he speaks in press conferences but today I am very unsure about his tactics now.
We couldn't make any threaten against Leipzig with no natural CBs. We can't make 3 passes under pressure. Everything feels weird tbf.
I love his man management and the way he speaks in press conferences but today I am very unsure about his tactics now.
We couldn't make any threaten against Leipzig with no natural CBs. We can't make 3 passes under pressure. Everything feels weird tbf.
dontcallme
SC Supporter
- Mar 18, 2005
- 34,230
- 83,192
I feel it is too early to judge which is why I am not having a go at people unsure of Jose, or even criticising him.
TBF to him he took over mid-season to a team that had been performing poorly for a season and a half, we had a number of players wanting out and appeared unmotivated and struggling with a lack of signings in the previous 2 seasons.
So if nothing else he should be applauded for getting short term results, even if not attractive.
We bought 3 players last summer then another 2 in Jan. This summer Jose needs to get the team in the image he wants us to be going forward.
For now, with the injuries and bedding in new players he just has to get results, which he is doing.
Ronwol196061
Well-Known Member
- Apr 9, 2018
- 3,925
- 3,646
It shouldnt be that weird for the longest time we couldnt string passes together with Poch even.
Our problem was and continues to be passing out of defence. We are just not the best at it.
Now we have Lo Celso and NDombele the flow should get better. We did lose Eriksen that really helped in that area. Our defenders though are not the best at it and our first touch going forward is not that great without Kane
RichieS
Well-Known Member
- Dec 23, 2004
- 11,916
- 16,436
Wtf is this shit? We're all supposed to be José fanboys, what with him being the bloke currently tasked with improving things on the pitch for Tottenham Hotspur and everything!
Last edited:
fishhhandaricecake
Well-Known Member
- Nov 15, 2018
- 19,150
- 47,908
Really mate come on the football under poch was very rarely ‘turgid’ at its lowest it was still more exciting than what we are seeing under Jose and also what we saw under Santini or Ramos or AVB etc (unless you weren’t a fan during those times then fair enough). I get your point but I’m surprised you say it at times was some of the most turgid football you’ve seen.
the football at the start of this season was especially poor and the real low point but it was a manager and squad that had run it’s course, were burnt out and also that had a number of members that wanted to leave but we did still try to have possession and play football for the majority of his tenure.
fishhhandaricecake
Well-Known Member
- Nov 15, 2018
- 19,150
- 47,908
Agree mate
bigpalacios
Well-Known Member
- Jun 7, 2009
- 2,769
- 6,980
Fully behind Jose now, this flippant 'hes past it' bullshit is getting on my tits.
The guy has more footballing acumen than almost anyone in the game, give home time and we will be a force!
The guy has more footballing acumen than almost anyone in the game, give home time and we will be a force!
Locotoro
Prince of Zamunda
- Sep 2, 2004
- 9,394
- 14,053
Biggest trick Pep ever pulled was convincing the world there was only one way to play football.
Since that moment fans all over the world have fawned over tiki taka and considered succes only achievable through some variation of possession based football. It being the only way to win or dominate or even play attractive. But actually we've seen first hand so many more examples of teams "winning the possession stats" but being utterly toothless. Both teams under AVB and Poch at times would focus on possession and wait for the opposition to fall asleep before taking a shot at goal but actually we'd get hit with a simple counter and concede.In fact one of our most attractive teams of recent years was Redknapps counter attacking side.
When are people going to learn... football is not only playing one way, if it was it would be boring as hell. There are a lot of different ways to playamd JM wants to play counter attacking football. He wants to sit deep and play fast and score. So when we play that way, and the media and pundits misinform us by saying we've played poorly or we've been dominated just remember - whoever ruled that only possession football was the appropriate way. The players are doing what JM wants and we're winning games. Look at the stats, we're commonly having more shots on target than opposition too so all this crap about us being dominated is irrelevant unless we're being beaten soundly. Domination doesn't win games, goals do.
Since that moment fans all over the world have fawned over tiki taka and considered succes only achievable through some variation of possession based football. It being the only way to win or dominate or even play attractive. But actually we've seen first hand so many more examples of teams "winning the possession stats" but being utterly toothless. Both teams under AVB and Poch at times would focus on possession and wait for the opposition to fall asleep before taking a shot at goal but actually we'd get hit with a simple counter and concede.In fact one of our most attractive teams of recent years was Redknapps counter attacking side.
When are people going to learn... football is not only playing one way, if it was it would be boring as hell. There are a lot of different ways to playamd JM wants to play counter attacking football. He wants to sit deep and play fast and score. So when we play that way, and the media and pundits misinform us by saying we've played poorly or we've been dominated just remember - whoever ruled that only possession football was the appropriate way. The players are doing what JM wants and we're winning games. Look at the stats, we're commonly having more shots on target than opposition too so all this crap about us being dominated is irrelevant unless we're being beaten soundly. Domination doesn't win games, goals do.
Last edited:
spurs9
Well-Known Member
- Aug 31, 2012
- 11,888
- 34,300
You can't read too much into the bold in 1 game, In the season we finished 2nd, we lost 2-0 to Liverpool, that played a back 4 of Milner, Matip, Lucas and Clyne.
I also think people are forgetting a few things about last season, we went into it without signing anyone for 2 windows, the majority of our players going deep into the W/C, losing Son for the Asian Games, we still had to contend with injuries to Kane. Ali, Sissoko, Eriksen and winks all being run into the ground, the stadium delay. The list really goes on and despite that, we still put in some wonderful performances had some excellent/memorable results AND we were still in a title race only 5(?) Points off 1st up to the end of February? It wasn't terrible football for 12/18 months it was really more like 6/8 months.
Yes Jose deserves time and yes he's having a tough time with injuries, but people are willing to cut him some slack yet forget what Poch had to contend with.
Similar threads
- Locked
- Sticky
