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Timberwolf

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Jan 17, 2008
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Leicester have got away with a few thanks to VAR. We were nailed on to win at their place but for 1mm of Son's shoulder.
 

SugarRay

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I just don’t know what can be done. That’s not really off side in any way we’ve ever known it to be is it?

For me that’s the most laughable offside decision of the season.

This is what happens when you let nerds who have never kicked a ball in their life, get involved
 

Oscar22

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Apr 9, 2004
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Zero point in Peter Walton on BT, bullshit merchant who just goes with whatever the officials have said.
 

mark87

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Nov 29, 2004
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Zero point in Peter Walton on BT, bullshit merchant who just goes with whatever the officials have said.

Well he clarifies the reasoning for decisions made by explaining the ruling, he's not making up rules as he goes along to fit the refereeing decsions.
 

Johnny J

Not the Kiwi you need but the one you deserve
Aug 18, 2012
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I like the idea of VAR for fouls and suchlike, and for clear offsides.

But using it for these millimetre offsides is utterly ridiculous:

(1) The technology simply isn't accurate enough to measure offsides to that level of precision. you cannot judge exactly when the ball is kicked, and the camera speed means there can be movement between frames of more than the offside distances we are seeing.

(2) Aside from the technical issues, there's another point I haven't seen discussed much. Which it that it spoils the skill of playing off the last defender or timing a run. It is literally impossible for a player to judge with millimetre accuracy during a game whether or not they are onside. They look across the line, or time their run, and make their best guess. Yet they are being judged against a standard they themselves cannot apply in the game.

Edit:

I appreciate that there's no easy answer - because you have to draw a line somewhere, so there's always an argument about where you draw it from.

But I would introduce a margin of error of a foot, and introduce electronic chips in a wristband. That way you can reliably measure the distance between any two players' wristbands. And if it's a foot or less, then you're onside.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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Zero point in Peter Walton on BT, bullshit merchant who just goes with whatever the officials have said.

he was one of the worst refs ever. He used to drive me mad. Basically whatever he’s says, the opposite is correct. Was then and is now.
 

SugarRay

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I like the idea of VAR for fouls and suchlike, and for clear offsides.

But using it for these millimetre offsides is utterly ridiculous:

(1) The technology simply isn't accurate enough to measure offsides to that level of precision. you cannot judge exactly when the ball is kicked, and the camera speed means there can be movement between frames of more than the offside distances we are seeing.

(2) Aside from the technical issues, there's another point I haven't seen discussed much. Which it that it spoils the skill of playing off the last defender or timing a run. It is literally impossible for a player to judge with millimetre accuracy during a game whether or not they are onside. They look across the line, or time their run, and make their best guess. Yet they are being judged against a standard they themselves cannot apply in the game.

I have no doubt that if the technology was created to measure offsides exactly, half these disallowed goals would actually be fine. Some bloke drawing lines and making a decent effort to determine when the ball is actually played isn’t good enough.

I’m beyond sick of VAR.
 

ajspurs

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Jul 7, 2007
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Is just annoying having someone almost arrogantly agreeing and justifying all the bullshit decisions, even if he is right in what he's saying. I think it's the manner in which Peter Walton justifies anything that irks.
 

JCRD

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I’m genuinely all for scrapping VAR entirely as opposed to continuing with what we’ve seen this season


Im all for VAR but it needs fixing and it is really a simple fix - if it isnt clear and obvious to the naked eye via monitor then the on field decision stands.
 

Oscar22

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Well he clarifies the reasoning for decisions made by explaining the ruling, he's not making up rules as he goes along to fit the refereeing decsions.

I get that, but he never expresses, “but it’s a rubbish way of dealing with it” or comments on how it actually takes away from the game and makes it more confusing. He literally just “well it was a correct decision and the ref was right”, “yes but Peter do you feel it takes away from the game”, “well it’s a correct decision”.

yeah, cheers Pete, valuable insight ?
 

LSUY

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Jul 12, 2005
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VAR isn't the problem it's the people operating it. In the NFL the referee has about 90 seconds to watch the replay and decide if the original call was correct and can only overturn the call if he sees incontrovertible visual evidence. If VAR operated on that basis it would be a millions times better than what we've seen from it this season.
 

Wizzy77

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Sep 1, 2019
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From BBC

Here is what was said as Wolves skipper Conor Coady and referee Mike Dean came off the pitch at half-time...
Coady: Who is offside, Jota? From a corner?
Dean: *points to his earpiece*
Coady: You're the referee and even you don't know.
 

adamsky

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Dec 8, 2006
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I still don’t get how you can be offside from a corner. Surely defences should just move completely away from area. A quick look on fifa rules and it says you can’t e offside from a corner. I must be missing something
 

rez9000

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Feb 8, 2007
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I have no doubt that if the technology was created to measure offsides exactly, half these disallowed goals would actually be fine. Some bloke drawing lines and making a decent effort to determine when the ball is actually played isn’t good enough.

I’m beyond sick of VAR.
You see, I think you're making a mistake, Ray, in blaming the tool, rather than the user.

VAR can be good, can be very good, for the game, if it was used in the right way.

What you have to bear in mind is that, in this country, it's primary use is not to enhance or protect the game, the players, the clubs or the fans, but to protect the referees.

As long as the deification of officials is football's enforced state religion (as it is in the PL), whether you have VAR or not, decisions will still be awful.

The way to fix VAR is to make referees accountable for what they do. They should be subject to close scrutiny by anyone and we need to do away with this bollocks about not allowing referees to be criticised. If people are prevented from making them answer for their decisions, then they have no incentive to improve their performance. And that's PGMOL's modus operandi - that match officials should be allowed to do as they please and not have to answer for it. And VAR is under their control.

It's not VAR's fault. It's the ones running it. Blaming VAR is akin to being stabbed and then blaming the knife for it.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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Doherty has a bleeding head wound yet is allowed to keep playing. Not sure that should be allowed in this day and age
 
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