Harry Winks - Leicester City

So, from that Sunday Supplement video posted earlier we have evidence that his peers at the highest level who play with and against him talk about how good he is, and we know that three world class managers in Pochettino, Pep, and Jose, two of them among the greatest ever, have either spoken about how highly they rate him or have shown it. Yet we still have a few utter morons on here and on Twitter who don't rate him.

It's the same as it's always been. If you don't rate Harry Winks, the problem is not with Winks, it's with your understanding of the game. Instead of being quick to post about how he's not good enough, how about you step back, have some self-awareness, and consider why it is that people who have forgotten more about football than you will ever know think he's so good because if you actually understand football, you rate Harry Winks.

ebzrascal said:

can't be arsed to argue or be rude to anyone... my view is Winks was good but not amazing. I felt he gave the ball away to cheaply too many times as did Sanchez, also we were battered for 60 mins.. don`t understand the euphoria I still think we have a lot of improving to do.. I trust Jose to get things right but we will see how the season goes.

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My point was to get a better explanation rather than a response of "it's my view".
The game plan was to cede possession and play fast and direct and hit them on the break. We did that and we won against a superior team. That's why everyone is happy

If I had to choose one of Lo Celso, Ndombele or Winks to play CM alongside a proper DCM then Harry would not be the first choice for me.

spids said:

If I had to choose one of Lo Celso, Ndombele or Winks to play CM alongside a proper DCM then Harry would not be the first choice for me.

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If you play Lo Celso, Ndombele and Winks together, do you need a DCM? As Lo Celso and Winks break up the play and I am sure Ndombele will/does as well! As long as they all out in the effort it gives all 3 freedom to attack or sit back if the other 2 go forward and doesn't limit they way we set up.

Yid-ol said:

If you play Lo Celso, Ndombele and Winks together, do you need a DCM? As Lo Celso and Winks break up the play and I am sure Ndombele will/does as well! As long as they all out in the effort it gives all 3 freedom to attack or sit back if the other 2 go forward and doesn't limit they way we set up.

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Maybe so. But that was not the point I was making.

spids said:

If I had to choose one of Lo Celso, Ndombele or Winks to play CM alongside a proper DCM then Harry would not be the first choice for me.

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I wouldn’t rack your brain, nobody’s ever going to ask you to choose.

spids said:

If I had to choose one of Lo Celso, Ndombele or Winks to play CM alongside a proper DCM then Harry would not be the first choice for me.

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we are not going to sign a pure DM though, at least those midfielders we are linked to are not pure DMs (e.g. Soumare)

glospur said:

So, from that Sunday Supplement video posted earlier we have evidence that his peers at the highest level who play with and against him talk about how good he is, and we know that three world class managers in Pochettino, Pep, and Jose, two of them among the greatest ever, have either spoken about how highly they rate him or have shown it. Yet we still have a few utter morons on here and on Twitter who don't rate him.

It's the same as it's always been. If you don't rate Harry Winks, the problem is not with Winks, it's with your understanding of the game. Instead of being quick to post about how he's not good enough, how about you step back, have some self-awareness, and consider why it is that people who have forgotten more about football than you will ever know think he's so good because if you actually understand football, you rate Harry Winks.

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Have you been waiting for about a year since his last half decent performance to post that? Ridiculous.

Spurrific said:

I wouldn’t rack your brain, nobody’s ever going to ask you to choose.

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Luckily for me this is a thread to discuss our opinions on Harry Winks and not one for hoping that the mighty Spurrific gives permission to actually pick the team. Really find it bizarre that rather than actually contribute to the discussion and give your own opinion you choose to be negative to fellow fans instead. Nice chap.

spids said:

Luckily for me this is a thread to discuss our opinions on Harry Winks and not one for hoping that the mighty Spurrific gives permission to actually pick the team. Really find it bizarre that rather than actually contribute to the discussion and give your own opinion you choose to be negative to fellow fans instead. Nice chap.

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I'm the one being negative? You felt the need to post that pointless, negative "opinion" about whether Winks would be your midfielder of choice. Off the back of him being a strong candidate for MOTM against one of the best teams in the world. That's what's bizarre. Don't be a little cry baby because somebody is willing to point out how menial your post was. "I would pick one of the £40m+ signings in midfield, not him" is what you basically said. Well done. What did you want? A flurry of agrees? Praise? You went out of your way to come in and post something that needlessly puts him down.

As for "the mighty Spurrific" - that's your own insecurity absolutely screaming through your post. I'm not trying to police thought or dissuade anybody from expressing their opinions - but people are allowed to comment if they think your post is bullshit - just like they do to me on a regular basis (but I don't care - too mighty).

Primativ said:

Have you been waiting for about a year since his last half decent performance to post that? Ridiculous.

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Just haven't been around here for a while. I'd like to say when I decided to check out SC again that I was surprised to see people like yourself still wheeling out the same garbage about Winks, but then I remembered the laughable nonsense that you used to spout about him on the regular and I was no longer surprised. I see your football knowledge is as woefully inadequate as the last time I was here.

I'm just delighted to hear that his peers at the highest level talk about how good he is and that our new manager, one of the greatest of all time, obviously rates him, just as our former world class manager did. It means I can continue to see one of the best young midfielders in the world strut his stuff for Spurs, while sitting and back and laughing as people like yourself continue to look like fools.

glospur said:

Just haven't been around here for a while. I'd like to say when I decided to check out SC again that I was surprised to see people like yourself still wheeling out the same garbage about Winks, but then I remembered the laughable nonsense that you used to spout about him on the regular and I was no longer surprised. I see your football knowledge is as woefully inadequate as the last time I was here.

I'm just delighted to hear that his peers at the highest level talk about how good he is and that our new manager, one of the greatest of all time, obviously rates him, just as our former world class manager did. It means I can continue to see one of the best young midfielders in the world strut his stuff for Spurs, while sitting and back and laughing as people like yourself continue to look like fools.

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One of the best young midfielders in the world? Ahahaha. You do realise GLC and Ndombele are both younger than Winks right? And they are clearly a class above Winks.

Ok, I will pick this apart one by one.

First of all, who are these peers at the highest level who rate him? A throwaway comment by Guardiola? the same guy who said there are hundreds of Winks's playing in Spain? Ah ok.

Saying Mourinho rates him as a bit of a leap isn't it? We have an injury crisis in CM and the only alternative to Winks is Dier and new kid Gedson. Before that Winks was benched behind the mighty Sissoko. SO basically I am calling it that you are talking absolute rubbish. There is very little evidence so far that Mourinho really rates Winks. Wink is practically picked by default. Gedson is brand new and Ndombele isn't fully fit.

Ornstien in his latest article says we were very close to signing Emre Can in January, Ally Gold suggesting we are going to go in hard for Soumare in the summer and a deal is all lined up. That indicates to me Mourinho isn't happy with his CM options. It indicates he does not see Wink as along term option in CM. I fully expect that Winks will be back to the bench very soon and from next season he will only get games in the domestic cups or when injuries strike.

At the end of the day it's the same old story, people like you can't wait to come on here and try mug off people that don't rate Winks very much after he produces one good performance in about 6 months. He's been utterly underwhelming in the PL for Spurs, and a good performance from him is the exception not the rule. Yet you start saying people who don't rate Winks are clueless about football. It is pathetic.

For you to come on here and shout that Mourinho clearly rates Winks because in the midst of an injury crisis he has played him in 4 games in succession when before that he was on the bench is laughable. Talk about stretching it.

We signed Gedson in January, tried to sign Emre Can in January and by all accounts want Soumare. That strongly suggests Winks is not part of Mourinho's long term thinking in CM. Next season will prove you are wrong, Winks will not be in our first 11.

Primativ said:

One of the best young midfielders in the world? Ahahaha. You do realise GLC and Ndombele are both younger than Winks right? And they are clearly a class above Winks...

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So much energy and effort spent for such a negative purpose... Harry Winks is one of our own. He may not be your cup of tea and he may not be in our best 11 long term, but he always gives his all, doesn't kick up a fuss and still has a huge part to play this season, and a few more after that I imagine. To slag him off like this...

McArchibald said:

So much energy and effort spend for such a negative purpose... Harry Winks is one of our own. He may not be your cup of tea and he may not be in our best 11 long term, but he always gives his all, doesn't kick up a fuss and still has a huge part to play this season, and a few more after that I imagine. To slag him off like this...

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It is not slagging him off to say GLC and Nomdbele are a class above, surely any Spurs fan can see that when they run on to the pitch?

To recognise Winks is not good enough for us to play regularly isn't slagging him off is it? You can admire his commitment, appreciate his love for Spurs and still not rate him very highly as a CM for Spurs?

So far we have options at CM (midfield 3) of Dele, GLC, NDombele, Winks, Gedson, Sissoko, Dier, so 7 players for 3 positions. If Jose does want another DM that will be 8 into 3. No matter how you cut it we are over stocked there so choices have to be made. It will be between Dier, Sissoko and Winks who goes... and what do we really do with Dele?

Donki said:

So far we have options at CM (midfield 3) of Dele, GLC, NDombele, Winks, Gedson, Sissoko, Dier, so 7 players for 3 positions. If Jose does want another DM that will be 8 into 3. No matter how you cut it we are over stocked there so choices have to be made. It will be between Dier, Sissoko and Winks who goes... and what do we really do with Dele?

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I don't think it is worth including Alli in that group. Whilst theoretically he could be moved there at a pinch, he's woefully ineffective and struggles when played deep. His best attributes are totally negated and his worst attributes are really exposed. I just don't see Mourinho including Alli in his pool of CM options.

Donki said:

So far we have options at CM (midfield 3) of Dele, GLC, NDombele, Winks, Gedson, Sissoko, Dier, so 7 players for 3 positions. If Jose does want another DM that will be 8 into 3. No matter how you cut it we are over stocked there so choices have to be made. It will be between Dier, Sissoko and Winks who goes... and what do we really do with Dele?

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Jetset said Mourinho doesn't want another DM

Primativ said:

I don't think it is worth including Alli in that group. Whilst theoretically he could be moved there at a pinch, he's woefully ineffective and struggles when played deep. His best attributes are totally negated and his worst attributes are really exposed. I just don't see Mourinho including Alli in his pool of CM options.

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I put him there because ultimately he will be competing with them for a place, when is he is pushed further forward. He is shit out wide and he doesn't play as a striker, so he will probably play when we deploy 2 other midfielders behind him, with him pushed forward.

thebenjamin said:

Jetset said Mourinho doesn't want another DM

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Would he if we sold Dier? I certainly don't think he will be looking at ANY other midfielder unless we move 1 or 2 on.