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Dele Alli at Everton

SPURSLIFE

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My brother has hit the nail on the head with Dele. With the Dele we've predominantly seen over the last 18 months at least.

He's the exact opposite to Aurier, he says. Serge could play a blinder for 89 mins, bar one ridiculous brain fart moment where he gives away a penalty or sees red. Dele is the opposite. He could be fucking pants for the whole game and pull an absolute worldy out the bag in one instant.

Ultimately however, it's not enough. We can't hang around enduring match after match of drivel, waiting for a moment of magic. He was excellent when Jose first came in, but he's unfortunately reverted to type now.

There are obvious reasons for this. He needs a striker to play off, accepted. He also needs to be in a team controlling the game, creating chances for him, also accepted. He also looks really tired early on in games, which obviously shows he needs a rest.

What we need to think about is whether that's enough from a player in such an important position. He's not a luxury as he works his bollocks off, off the ball. But he is a "luxury" in that you have to supply him. He's not a 10. He is a second striker. And we need to consider whether he fits in to the system Jose is trying to implement.

Personally I have my doubts, as I'd love to see a 4-3-3 with a DM, Lo Celso and Ndombele with 2 wingers behind Harry. Dele could fill in in either CM or in a wide position, but not ideally or naturally.

So there's a conundrum coming up in the summer. Sell and get 50 odd million to re-invest or build the whole system around allowing him to just ghost into the box.
I would sell him but I certainly wouldn't build a system around him. He's not a 18 year old kid with great potential anymore. What you see is what you get and that is the odd moment of brilliance but mostly very little contribution in matches. I don't know how he could change he has a certain way of playing that is unique to him but not really suitable for the team. We have some great MF players now that can offer a lot going forward and I just think that Deli isn't one of them.
 

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Some really good points in here. He has really divided opinion of late, particularly as to what his best position is. I don't think he is currently cut out for CM and not a #10 either (although in the 4-3-3 there is no '#10' as such). He has the ability to be a CM in future (he is still young FFS), but needs to knuckle down and work into that role (possession, strength, etc.) and stop thinking of himself as a galatico.

Perhaps it is coming off the left in a 4-3-3. No reason he can't be rotating with Bergwijn, Lamela and Moura. IMO Son should be playing up front until Kane returns.
 

Johnny J

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He is better as a 2nd forward than a CM.
His 'special power' is getting between CB and FB for diagonal balls and far post crosses.
Of course he's better as a 2nd striker. He's awful in CM, and he's not got enough skill or vision to be a number 10. So he has this unique role that is great when he's on form, but a lot of the time is to the detriment of the team as a whole.

As for his "special power", he has a knack for making runs but I'm sure a lot of second strikers could find spaces between CB and FB if they are allowed to wander around up front without any real responsibilities.

Don't get me wrong. He's capable of magical moments, but he is maddeningly bad much of the time at some things, like controlling a football, moving the ball on quickly, making good decisions.

He's an experienced PL and international player now. He should have improved those aspects of his game. He hasn't, and his all-round game compares badly to someone like GLC.

I hope now he's injury-free he kicks on, because we aren't good enough right now to include mercurial players like him, Son and Moura all in the same team.
 

spursfan77

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I have no idea why this thread is so contentious. He's never been involved in a huge amount of build up play, but gets quite a few assists. He's not a central midfielder, doesn't have the strength, composure or discipline to play that role. His ball retention is poor and he's pretty weak.

He needs to play pretty much as high up the pitch as a striker and works best with little positional responsibility. He has moments of genius and is a big game player. The most intelligent player we have in terms of finding and exploiting space, and chips in with quite a few goals.

He's never been one to run a game from the middle of the pitch and don't know why people are expecting him to do so now. He's a forward who plays on the periphery of games, with quite a lot of involvement in goals and opportunities.

exactly. I do wonder what people watch when he’s playing. He hasn’t changed at all since we bought him. Let’s hope he gets some proper coaching now because he sure as fuck hasn’t been getting any since he’s been here. He does exactly the same things he did since his first season. Good and bad.
 

dagraham

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Nah, he often is able to get out of tight spots work a trick or touch, which given he hasn’t got a change of pace is pretty decent.

Agree. His biggest problem is he seems to want too much time on the ball when he runs with it.
 

dtxspurs

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Nah, he often is able to get out of tight spots work a trick or touch, which given he hasn’t got a change of pace is pretty decent.
I haven’t seen that. But I do see him slow the ball down, draw two defenders on top of him, then he tries to lift the ball and jump between them and lose the ball 100% of the time he tries it.
 

theShiznit

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The thing with Dele is nothing has changed. You can go back to his early Spurs days (the ones people are hankering for now) and you will see the same things said in threads. "Poor in possession, slow to do anything, not good enough if he's not scoring"

He probably had more mobility (and less tape) then as well.

The longer between the magic moments the harder it was always going to get for him as more and more people question his role and worth in that role.

Honestly can't see a happy ending to Dele's story at Spurs...
 

stevespurs

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He’s starting to look like a spare part with our current shape. Jack of all trades! But Berger, Sess, Lamela, Moura and Son could all arguably play left and right wing forwards along side Harry. So when Harry’s back, Dele would be a luxury item I personally would not be using.

But.....Dele’s goal scoring, even by the end of this season, may be something we cant do without. With so many average and crappy minutes in between goals, his goals per minutes played, will be outstanding. Especially for someone his age. It’s a tricky one
 

southlondonyiddo

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Dele is a horrendous dribbler.

Dribbling I’d agree he’s terrible, cannot run with a ball at all but has great tricks in tight situations and at his best has time and space that lesser players can only dream about

Another great trait which is also a weakness is that he’s always trying something to affect the game. Not just the simple pass but always trying to open up defences and trying to be clever & tricky

Still think he’s struggling to find his best form but is working much harder to try and recapture it
 

bbunc

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People want to buy Dwight McNeil and sell Dele Alli. Fuck me, I’ve heard it all now.

well, in fairness, selling Dele would likely be enough to get us Zakaria, Eze, Bogle and McNeil (or better yet, 15M towards a backup striker or CB).

I’d make that trade in a heartbeat. 50M more from earnings and the rebuild would be 95% done.

We’d have the best midfield in Europe with Zakaria, GLC and Ndombele.
 

double0

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People really wanna make excuses for him like, give him credit for running or that he played through the pain? Who gives a shit about that?
It was a another terrible performance from Dilly Dally, like it has been for the past 18 months.

But Lucas Lamela and even Son right now is just a bad. Fact is we need a massive rebuild. And only Son of these players are good enough.
Yes we need a rebuild 100 % it's partially being undertaken we had a good January window, many players have been poor, Dele included but bare in mind his injuries age positional changes and the teams overall poor form he is being unfairly judged.

Dele Alli isn't a Dr Bruyne type of player he has his own uniqueness. So far in his career Dele strengths has been finding spaces goal scoring assists work rate his style of running is deceptive occasional moments of magic. Yes he needs to improve when to be cheaky and limit his turn overs losing the ball that tends to drive people mad..imo he has time to improve the good by far out weighs the bad.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Best goal/ assist output in our squad after Son (14) and Kane (13) with 10 in 17 starts and 1 off the bench.

For a kid having a season broken up by injury and playing in a side that has been poor overall, not to mention constantly changing players around him in midfield and attack due to injury and suspension, thereby lacking cohesion, that is a pleasing output.
 

spursfan77

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The thing with Dele is nothing has changed. You can go back to his early Spurs days (the ones people are hankering for now) and you will see the same things said in threads. "Poor in possession, slow to do anything, not good enough if he's not scoring"

He probably had more mobility (and less tape) then as well.

The longer between the magic moments the harder it was always going to get for him as more and more people question his role and worth in that role.

Honestly can't see a happy ending to Dele's story at Spurs...

unless Mourinho and the coaches sit down with him and make a plan for his game. I just feel he hasn’t been coached enough. By now he should be able to play 2 or 3 positions in midfield, he has the talent. He can do it because at MK Dons he was played deep and behind the striker. (I’m not saying play him deep in our team, no way, closer to the goal and central striker is the best).

Maybe they’ve tried and he doesn’t listen but I don’t believe that. He does seem pretty conflicted in interviews. Proving people wrong comes up time after time. He had a hard childhood and I suspect it’s from that. He needs to forget about doing that, I don’t think him trying to prove himself all the time helps his game.
 
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