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doctor stefan Freud

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Yes we need a DM BUT
if our RB decides to smoke a ciggy and play as a 10 for part of the game, a DM (unless we get Kante or Wanyama from two years ago) ain't gonna be enough
This post better be metaphorical or I’m off to Twitter to destroy Aurier
 

rawhide

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THIS! Irrelevant who the back 4 is if there’s no one screening them.
i don’t get the clamour for a CDM when our defending is comical. Would a CDM have prevented Ings turning Toby inside out following a ball over the top? Or the absence of defending in wide areas?

Some people on this forum see a new CDM as a magical cure all that’ll stop us conceding goals, but I just can’t see past the fundamental flaws in our defenders.
 

TheVoiceofReason

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JM honestly has money to spend, and he will be backed

Honestly I will believe this when I see it. And I know you are passing on this info in good faith, and I’m very grateful for that. I have never doubted your sources.

But right now I have no faith in Levy to spend money wisely, if at all. However the main issue is we seem incapable of selling players, they just linger here on and on.

Why is Dier still here, Wanyama, Rose, Aurier. Players out is as important as players in. We are so far off a top squad right now it’s not even funny, we literally need to do SO much work.
 

Joely

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Honestly I will believe this when I see it. And I know you are passing on this info in good faith, and I’m very grateful for that. I have never doubted your sources.

But right now I have no faith in Levy to spend money wisely, if at all. However the main issue is we seem incapable of selling players, they just linger here on and on.

Why is Dier still here, Wanyama, Rose, Aurier. Players out is as important as players in. We are so far off a top squad right now it’s not even funny, we literally need to do SO much work.

So frustrating seeing players who are clearly not up to it linger in the squad for years. By the time we've gotten ridden of duds from the squad like N'Koudou, Janssen, N'jie, Wimmer etc, another handful are ready to take to take their place on the get rid list. Understand it's not always easy moving on players who are on good contracts with us, but really is depressing seeing dross/average/broken players like Aurier, Wanyama, Rose and Dier here. Fine to keep one or two for the squad but we have far too many of them who contribute very little.
 

McArchibald

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So frustrating seeing players who are clearly not up to it linger in the squad for years. By the time we've gotten ridden of duds from the squad like N'Koudou, Janssen, N'jie, Wimmer etc, another handful are ready to take to take their place on the get rid list. Understand it's not always easy moving on players who are on good contracts with us, but really is depressing seeing dross/average/broken players like Aurier, Wanyama, Rose and Dier here. Fine to keep one or two for the squad but we have far too many of them who contribute very little.
Building an elite squad is a process of constant selection. Every year you have to get rid of the bottom 3-4 players in your squad and replace them with (potentially) better players.
In financial terms that means that you not only have to be prepared to fork out a large sum on incoming transfers year-on-year, but you also have to be prepared to sell your lemons at a loss. It's this last bit that Levy has never been able to come to terms with...
 

Stoof

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Honestly I will believe this when I see it. And I know you are passing on this info in good faith, and I’m very grateful for that. I have never doubted your sources.

But right now I have no faith in Levy to spend money wisely, if at all. However the main issue is we seem incapable of selling players, they just linger here on and on.

Why is Dier still here, Wanyama, Rose, Aurier. Players out is as important as players in. We are so far off a top squad right now it’s not even funny, we literally need to do SO much work.

Aside from Wanyama, those other three have played and started a number of games. I think the very obvious reason is that we simply have no-one else of the same quality in the squad - so would you sell and hope that someone comes in? I don’t think that works without the replacements first.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Aside from Wanyama, those other three have played and started a number of games. I think the very obvious reason is that we simply have no-one else of the same quality in the squad - so would you sell and hope that someone comes in? I don’t think that works without the replacements first.
We’re bordering on a skewed chicken and egg dynamic, at least that seemed to be the sentiment in the 2018 summer window. We had to sell to buy (the deadwood window) and now we’re even deeper into that dynamic in that we probably need to sell near recent starting XI players to buy (hopefully) effective players, except what the club deem the value of a player we might look to sell, doesn’t tally with interested market forces idea of the value of our players. So, do we buy first and trust the market to meet our valuation of players we want to sell, assuming these valuations are realistic enough, or do we wait until we’re content with what we’re being offered for the players we want to shift before we bring in our desired targets? At what point, if any, does this dynamic become a workable model for the club?
 

Stoof

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We’re bordering on a skewed chicken and egg dynamic, at least that seemed to be the sentiment in the 2018 summer window. We had to sell to buy (the deadwood window) and now we’re even deeper into that dynamic in that we probably need to sell near recent starting XI players to buy (hopefully) effective players, except what the club deem the value of a player we might look to sell, doesn’t tally with interested market forces idea of the value of our players. So, do we buy first and trust the market to meet our valuation of players we want to sell, assuming these valuations are realistic enough, or do we wait until we’re content with what we’re being offered for the players we want to shift before we bring in our desired targets? At what point, if any, does this dynamic become a workable model for the club?

No idea pal. But my guessing is we have cash to spend and we’ll spend it first if were going to make any moves. I think if there is to be movement of any sort it will be in first. (Not convinced that anything will happen though). :(
 

gibbospurs

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We’re bordering on a skewed chicken and egg dynamic, at least that seemed to be the sentiment in the 2018 summer window. We had to sell to buy (the deadwood window) and now we’re even deeper into that dynamic in that we probably need to sell near recent starting XI players to buy (hopefully) effective players, except what the club deem the value of a player we might look to sell, doesn’t tally with interested market forces idea of the value of our players. So, do we buy first and trust the market to meet our valuation of players we want to sell, assuming these valuations are realistic enough, or do we wait until we’re content with what we’re being offered for the players we want to shift before we bring in our desired targets? At what point, if any, does this dynamic become a workable model for the club?
All good points, the issue with us selling our players are that most of smaller sides that would take a punt on our half crocked or just not good enough players are gonna simply wait until the last minute to pick them up. When we are desperate to get shot. They may well make an enquiry earlier on but are no doubt gonna wait until there is no other option for us or the players. We need to get our balls out and sign some quality in the positions we need. Show the frail and shite players that their places are well and truly gone. And do it early. Let them negotiate a deal away on terms to suit both parties. You can’t always do it with 4 hours left.
 

kelloggs

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Who was the last young player to come from our youth and be a regular. Winks is almost 24 and KWP & Skipp doesn't quite qualify. I think our youth set-up gets too much credit (for producing players for us). I guess what I am saying is that ITK suggests we're scratching around for young players and we don't seem to have produced enough of sufficient quality despite the investment in our infrastructure? Is that fair? Parrot, Tanganga and Skipp aside, could we conceive of any other player contributing in the next 18 months? Maybe wrong thread, hence apologies.
 

TheVoiceofReason

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Aside from Wanyama, those other three have played and started a number of games. I think the very obvious reason is that we simply have no-one else of the same quality in the squad - so would you sell and hope that someone comes in? I don’t think that works without the replacements first.

Sell and ensure someone else comes in. This seems to be bread and butter for other top clubs.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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This is the ITK Discussion Thread.

If you want to talk about the squad, or which players should replace another/which positions need reinforcing get yourself into the player threads.

Thanks.
 

Hotspur88

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This is the ITK Discussion Thread.

If you want to talk about the squad, or which players should replace another/which positions need reinforcing get yourself into the player threads.

Thanks.
It's ridiculous the amount of times you have to say this! How difficult is it to read and follow the rules?!
 

dovahkiin

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dragon1 on koulibaly: The special one insists he’s the one , incredible how much levy buys into the Jose myth , getting levy to lump it on a 28 year old

also says 'not true' that its not happening/fee too high
 
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