What's new

Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

Should Poch stay or go?

  • Stay

    Votes: 657 55.3%
  • Go

    Votes: 532 44.7%

  • Total voters
    1,189

scat1620

L'espion mal fait
May 11, 2008
16,285
52,506
It’s a choice between Poch and someone better.
I think Mourinho's a better manager than Poch, so he gets my vote on that one.

But as I keep saying, it’s not a choice between Poch and Mourinho. They aren’t the only two managers in the world.
Agreed. But I can't think* of any manager in the world that I'd rather have at the moment than Mourinho, other than Pep Guardiola. I think he's almost perfect for what we need as a club right now.

*obviously, other opinions are available
 

Bobby TwoShots

Well-Known Member
Aug 8, 2019
496
1,832
Mourinho is a cheque book manager whose time has passed. Yes, he won the big prizes years ago, but football has moved on. Who cares about winning the Europa or the League Cup? Personally, I want to win (or at least challenge for) the league and the CL. We've been down this road before with George Graham -- the last time we hired a manager who was supposedly "a winner." Makes me come out in a cold sweat just thinking about the football he served up. If Poch has to go, replace him with someone progressive, not a boring old has-been.
 

Marantz

Well-Known Member
Apr 28, 2019
611
979
My vote is Poch out. He has done great for the club but reached the end of his tenure imo. I do not see that he can turn it around. Who The next manager will be time will tell but we should base our judgement on Poch and not who might be at the helm after him.
 

Everlasting Seconds

Well-Known Member
Jan 9, 2014
14,914
26,616
Mourinho is a cheque book manager whose time has passed. Yes, he won the big prizes years ago, but football has moved on. Who cares about winning the Europa or the League Cup? Personally, I want to win (or at least challenge for) the league and the CL. We've been down this road before with George Graham -- the last time we hired a manager who was supposedly "a winner." Makes me come out in a cold sweat just thinking about the football he served up. If Poch has to go, replace him with someone progressive, not a boring old has-been.
I actually do care about the Europa League trophy. I thought at the time that I was pissed at Tottenham for not even being in the final when Mourinho could sleep walk into winning it. It's a fun final to win, there can be some good matches and days out along the way and it puts you into Cl without having to overtake Leicester. I mean what is not to like.
 

Sandros Shiny Head

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2013
4,794
8,765
Mourinho is a cheque book manager whose time has passed. Yes, he won the big prizes years ago, but football has moved on. Who cares about winning the Europa or the League Cup? Personally, I want to win (or at least challenge for) the league and the CL. We've been down this road before with George Graham -- the last time we hired a manager who was supposedly "a winner." Makes me come out in a cold sweat just thinking about the football he served up. If Poch has to go, replace him with someone progressive, not a boring old has-been.
We've gone so long without a trophy that fans have forgotten what it feels like
 

LeParisien

Wrong about everything
Mar 5, 2018
3,212
8,169
Fair enough, he achieved par with Chelsea also I make it two significant success in a decade as he won the league at Real Madrid in 2011/12. We can twist this as much as we can but 3 clubs since 2011 and he's won the league twice with them in their respective countries, that to me is a winner.



I didn't say he overachieved with Real Madrid did I, your argument was about significant value, not over achievement?

Although going by the logic of wages then he did in fact overachieved as Barca had the biggest wage bill that season regardless:





Okay so this is your entirely your arbitrary criteria of players with world class potential I see fair enough so doesn't Di Maria (24) Ozil (23) and Higuain (23) count in that criteria?

By the way why are you so sure we'd sign young players on the verge of World Class especially if Mourinho is in charge, I know this is hypothetical but surely he would want the players he knows he can work with? I mean didn't we try to sign Dybala this summer, that's probably telling you where we are in regards to potential transfers and our ability to attract stars.




I don't understand that, it's not as if we're any close to winning anything at the moment are we?

My stance is purely for selfish reasons, forget morals for a second, the team we have now is still capable of winning a trophy IMO, it wasn't long as that we were in a CL final so they have it in them. I believe we have the experience we just need confidence and the players need a shot in the arm, I think we can allow ourselves to sacrifice 2 years of focusing on the first team as it's not as if we have anyone great coming through the academy anyway.

I'm sure there's people who share your vision and would love to play great football but we're pretty starved of success now.
Who is someone better that we can get?
I think Mourinho's a better manager than Poch, so he gets my vote on that one.


Agreed. But I can't think* of any manager in the world that I'd rather have at the moment than Mourinho, other than Pep Guardiola. I think he's almost perfect for what we need as a club right now.

*obviously, other opinions are available
Hi chaps,

Thanks for discussing things so civilly. As you can see next to my beautiful avatar I am wrong about everything. I was gutted we didn’t get van Gaal and was miffed about Poch (who?). I thought De Boer would be a good choice so I really am a cretin.

I don’t know who we could go for but equally I am so far from being informed about the options out there. Mourinho could come in and galvanise our attacking players who want to impress and run like crazy. He could make us defensively rock solid.

Id much rather we go for someone who’s not a complete dickhead and plays good football. Maybe young in the poch mould. If not Allegri would be my shout because he’s a smart coach and tactically brilliant.

My ultimate preference is for Poch to turn this round. But then again I still leave brandy and mince pies out for santa so the fuck so I know ?
X
 

king26

Well-Known Member
Feb 28, 2008
1,103
1,490
Mourinho is a cheque book manager whose time has passed. Yes, he won the big prizes years ago, but football has moved on. Who cares about winning the Europa or the League Cup? Personally, I want to win (or at least challenge for) the league and the CL. We've been down this road before with George Graham -- the last time we hired a manager who was supposedly "a winner." Makes me come out in a cold sweat just thinking about the football he served up. If Poch has to go, replace him with someone progressive, not a boring old has-been.
brilliant post spot on
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
25,355
38,297
That managers who win trophies don't "always" win over fans. Mourinho didn't even win over United fans despite the trophies, though I guess they are spoilt and have won enough to be picky.

If you think Mourinho or anyone can come here, win a Carabo cup followed by months of shit football and unrest and people will be 'won over' cos he won a trophy, then I respectfully disagree.

Juande Ramos didn't win over the fans because of his trophy.

It's fine to want Jose.

If he will come here to work under the constraints we have, I would take him as I think we would see a different personality because of it but I'm not just going to be won over because of a trophy.

If we would have won the CL, with exactly the same league form last season and this, would you not still want Poch out?
Not that I think that Mourinho will get the job but if he did and won things - he'd win over the Spurs fans. Man U fans are 'spoilt' from years of winning trophies as are Real Madrid fans so I agree, I wouldn't put too much store by their antipathy towards him. Obviously if we failed to win anything, the football was shit and he was moaning to the media then that would be another story entirely.
 

brendanb50

Well-Known Member
Jul 21, 2005
4,484
3,890
I personally don’t want him rid. I will back him totally. But as I said earlier; if we only achieve 1 point in our next 2 games, then sorry he goes. Nobody more than me want him to succeed. On a tactical front he is seriously lacking. It is not just Trippier who felt that. Read between the lines of his comments. Quite a few of the present players are miffed at his tactics.
Agreed with this but we also need to consider how many of those miffed players are already gone. Regardless of who comes in.
 

LeParisien

Wrong about everything
Mar 5, 2018
3,212
8,169
Tottenham fans turning their noses up at the Europa league is like West Ham fans turning their noses up at the League Cup.
No. Its two things. It’s saying we don’t want to even play in the EL. That’s reasonable and ambitious no?

And also It’s saying... we agree about all the downsides to Mourinho...what’s the upside? Oh. Being more competitive in FA cup and EL (if we have to play it). It’s not worth it
 

freeeki

Arsehole.
Aug 5, 2008
11,836
69,426
No. Its two things. It’s saying we don’t want to even play in the EL. That’s reasonable and ambitious no?

And also It’s saying... we agree about all the downsides to Mourinho...what’s the upside? Oh. Being more competitive in FA cup and EL (if we have to play it). It’s not worth it

Speak for yourself. Some of us would like to win things.
 

LeParisien

Wrong about everything
Mar 5, 2018
3,212
8,169
Speak for yourself. Some of us would like to win things.
We’re going round in circles now.

I don’t mind us having different opinions. I only object to people grossly simplifying counter arguments and then pretending people who disagree with them are idiots. Sad indictment on 21C.

I take it you would also not like to play EL but if we find ourselves in it you’d love to win it. Me too. And you’d be willing to trade the cons of Mourinho to win the FA cup. Whereas I’d like to win the FA cup but it’s not worth suffering the cons of Mourinho -Id like to find someone who plays better football and is less antagonistic.
 

'O Zio

Well-Known Member
Dec 27, 2014
7,405
13,785
Did you see Chris Wilder on Goals on Sunday? He talked relentlessly about his teams identities - the identity with the ball and the identity without it. We dont have either at the minute and looking back I’m not sure we have done for some time.

For me we haven't had a clear concrete strategy really since the last season at the old WHL. We used to have pacey wingbacks bombing forward stretching the play and creating overloads, generating space in the middle for Alli, Kane, Eriksen etc. to work in, and everyone pressing and hassling the opposition to turn the ball over high up the pitch.

Since Walker left, we've made do with Trippier who, while decent enough, just wasn't suited at all to that kind of role, and with the decline of Rose we haven't had that WB threat on the other side either. Without players like Walker and Rose at the top of their game, that system just doesn't work so we've seemingly tried all sorts since then but none of it has been anything like as effective. When you combine that with lack of pressing, whether that be due to burn out/not believing in the manager etc. then it's all added up to us being a pretty ponderous team with no real identity or clear strategy about how we play.
 
Top