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Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

Should Poch stay or go?

  • Stay

    Votes: 657 55.3%
  • Go

    Votes: 532 44.7%

  • Total voters
    1,189

Hercules

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Jul 23, 2014
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I don't really get this. You want him to stay, but are giving him two more games?

So if there's another two drab performances and we manage to scrape two points you're happy for him to stay?

My mind was made up after Brighton. We could manage one win from the next two, and still be exactly the same for the rest of the season.

I think we're past the game by game results phase.

You either believe in him for the long term or you don't, that's the way I see it.

And I think it's broken.
2 points in next 2 games, then shake hands. Brighton game, he didn’t have GLC, Sess fit, and sure there is another player. I wanted to wait until they were all at disposal.
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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2 points in next 2 games, then shake hands. Brighton game, he didn’t have GLC, Sess fit, and sure there is another player. I wanted to wait until they were all at disposal.

Fair enough.

The way I see it, is that if we're backing Poch it could take a long time before we're making real waves again. A couple of seasons, especially when you consider how long he takes to integrate new players.

Hope people are prepared for that because it's very obvious the foundations of Poch's management regime have been torn badly.
 

Hercules

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Jul 23, 2014
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Fair enough.

The way I see it, is that if we're backing Poch it could take a long time before we're making real waves again. A couple of seasons, especially when you consider how long he takes to integrate new players.

Hope people are prepared for that because it's very obvious the foundations of Poch's management regime have been torn badly.
The only reason I am giving him those two games is based on credit left in the bank. I do share your concerns though.
 

buttons

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Feb 24, 2005
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I just don't understand what our tactics are anymore. With exception of playing the ball out from the back and I guess trying for the quick counter, I just don't understand we don't press but we don't sit deep. And the amount of different formations and line ups Poch has put out just make me more concerned. I really don't like the idea of getting rid of Poch, but Im also loosing a lot of faith in his tactical knowledge. But all that being said, I do wonder how things would be different if we didn't go a season without buying a single player and then fail to get rid of the players that don't want to be here. The one thing I know, is I'm finding it harder and harder to justify paying for my season ticket and in general don't get remotely excited to watch us even on the TV.

Did you see Chris Wilder on Goals on Sunday? He talked relentlessly about his teams identities - the identity with the ball and the identity without it. We dont have either at the minute and looking back I’m not sure we have done for some time.
 
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Been chatting to my old man about this. He said if mourinho came in that'll be the end of his 64 years of supporting us. He hates Jose that much.
Same with my old man, mate. Turning 65 soon. Would rather not support Spurs if we got Jose, also he hates Lamela. We don't have the same Dad do we?
 

yiddopaul

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Dec 28, 2005
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Been chatting to my old man about this. He said if mourinho came in that'll be the end of his 64 years of supporting us. He hates Jose that much.
I imagine he'd grow on you if we started winning trophies. If we can - begrudgingly - welcome George Graham after winning the league cup with us. If we get rid of Poch, we're not really in a position to be turning our noses up at world class managers. Jose probably wouldn't work under Levy anyway.
 

Yiddo100

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The big thing for me is the players , if they were ALL still behind Him and the results weren’t great I’d be more than happy to give him more time, but it looks like they’re not and that can only go one way
 

whitesocks

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Jan 16, 2014
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Nothing in the papers either. When AVB was sacked we had loads of coverage in the papers, mainly from Ashton. Maybe we need to look back to then and see if there was any ITK then that he was on his way out or whether it was just newspaper pressure.

Edit: just had a look back through the ITK threads from December 2013 (there's 3 before the 13 December when AVB was sacked) and there is nothing. The only ITK I found talking about the manager at all was Hertyid saying the manager's job was safe and that was on 10 December.

So basically, don't expect to hear anything until it happens (if it happens)!
As I remember Levy did not really intend to sack AVB mid-season. (He was hopefully sacking him at the end of the season.) So the story was they met up after some disgraceful displays and I think Levy asked why certain players were not playing (Adebayor maybe) and AVB took this as unreasonable interference.
It was a mutual decision that he go. There is no way ITKs could have predicted this.

This time round as I see it, the players are not giving their all to MP as they think he could be going to ManU soon (or Real). But unless those clubs pay up in full, then Levy's view is that MP sees his contract out. The decision on MP's future lies elsewhere, so again there will be little ITK news this side.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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The big thing for me is the players , if they were ALL still behind Him and the results weren’t great I’d be more than happy to give him more time, but it looks like they’re not and that can only go one way

If there was general unrest you'd be hearing little tidbits coming out in the media and they wouldn't be taking him out for a cheeky Nandos
 
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Kane would be still in the championship if Sherwood didn't throw in to the first team or worse never to be seen again as he doesn't play for the U21

Tbf, he would probably have ended up there anyway if we didn't have a poor start and Ade related issues in poch's first few months.
 

markdadude

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Not to sidetrack the discussion but what was so bad about Sherwood's spell as manager? Personally, I remember enjoying it. Decent football, hell of alot better than the past year under Poch, and what preceded him under AVB.

Equally as important as a fan though, you would learn things from his interviews about current state of things at the club. In contrast I haven't really bothered paying much attention to anything Poch has said since he's been here because 1) his english is still abysmal and 2) what he does say is vacuous all of the time. I've never listened to a whole post match interview of his...

It used be a joy to listen to our charismatic coaches in years gone by after a good result. e.g. Jol/ Rednapp... I miss those days. I hope we get someone in who speaks well.
 

beats1

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Feb 22, 2010
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Tbf, he would probably have ended up there anyway if we didn't have a poor start and Ade related issues in poch's first few months.
We were trying to sign Origi but Liverpool allowed him to go back. Look at how our youth players are treated now, had Kane not had that experience there would be a long time before he got his chance.

He would have got sent back to championship during that season Timmy was there but this time as a failed championship LW from Leicester the season before so most likely a midlevel/bottom tier championship club

We would have signed another veteran and the youth players wouldn't have been in a position to stick up for Pochettino when Ade, Kaboul and were playing up
 

ravo

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Jun 4, 2004
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The only reason I am giving him those two games is based on credit left in the bank. I do share your concerns though.
I agree, but aren't funds still the main issue here? Levy surely won't pay him out, or have I missed something?
 

DenverSpur

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Sep 25, 2011
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No the question was
“Would you take season with Mou, ended at 5th and won Europa League or season with Poch, ended at 4th and CL Final with matches against Ajax and City?”

I wouldn’t take a season with Mou unless i thought it might end in a serious bit of silverware. I don’t care about second tier competitions. Winning second tier competitions is not ambition - it’s a byproduct of aiming for success in the top comps.

But that’s the point.Trying to win any completion you’re entered in is ambition because it success breeds success. Morihino, Manccini, Peligrini, Pep all won the League Cup Before they won the PL. Fergie won the FA Cup and then the European Cup Winners Cup before he won the PL. Wenger won the FA Cup the same year he won his first PL. They understood that to win the big prizes you have to make winning trophies a habit. Poch’s(and your) distain for “second tier competitions” teaches players that there are games that are not important so they don’t need to give 100%. This attitude can spread to other games/competitions and is therefore counterproductive in instilling the winning mentality necessary to win the top competitions. I’ve always believed that Poch’s attitude towards the domestic cup competitions and the Europa League is part of the reason we have not won ANY trophies during his time.
 

Stamford

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Sep 15, 2015
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Fair enough.

The way I see it, is that if we're backing Poch it could take a long time before we're making real waves again. A couple of seasons, especially when you consider how long he takes to integrate new players.

Hope people are prepared for that because it's very obvious the foundations of Poch's management regime have been torn badly.

No one gets a couple of seasons. Its so small time to offer someone a couple of seasons to figure it out
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Sep 2, 2013
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If I can support us when George Graham is manager I can handle anyone.
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spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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As I remember Levy did not really intend to sack AVB mid-season. (He was hopefully sacking him at the end of the season.) So the story was they met up after some disgraceful displays and I think Levy asked why certain players were not playing (Adebayor maybe) and AVB took this as unreasonable interference.
It was a mutual decision that he go. There is no way ITKs could have predicted this.

This time round as I see it, the players are not giving their all to MP as they think he could be going to ManU soon (or Real). But unless those clubs pay up in full, then Levy's view is that MP sees his contract out. The decision on MP's future lies elsewhere, so again there will be little ITK news this side.

There was a situation with AVB and adebayor in training where Levy sided with the player too apparently. Something levy learnt from. But yeah that’s how I remember the itk too after the event. There wasn’t anything before.
 
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