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Should Poch stay or go?

  • Stay

    Votes: 657 55.3%
  • Go

    Votes: 532 44.7%

  • Total voters
    1,189

dudu

Well-Known Member
Jan 28, 2011
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Good point and maybe Tottenham would not. But how will we handle not even the worst case but a pretty bad case scenario from where we currently are at? We are headed to disaster if something does not change.

True.

We are certainly in a ponderous state of affairs right now.
 

Everlasting Seconds

Well-Known Member
Jan 9, 2014
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When I'm saying this I know I'm not generally regarded as the optimist on SC, so I think people will know the level of realism that I'm applying to this.
What I think will happen, is that we'll keep tailing 3-6 points behind 5th for 8 weeks from now. Meanwhile we'll get all our ducks and a few swans in nice rows and target 4-5 new players in January. We'll take this from our competitors as well as uncovering the foreign gems our scouts have spent the last decade sourcing, and half of Leicester's team are dying to come here anyway.
Levy won't have any problems paying for those players knowing that half a team of our own will be leaving on a free transfer in June.
Then, from that moment, Pochettino will start integrating new players not on a 12 months time line but on a 12 minutes timeline, so all those 4-5 January signings will hit the ground running vs. Liverpool at home on the 11th of January. And we'll just go from strength to strength and also take the FA cup seriously leading straight to our first major domestic cup trophy. And we'll forget 2019 ever existed.
January will be fun.
 

PeeLee

Active Member
Oct 2, 2019
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There is another aspect of this which seems to have been ignored. Winning these “second tier” competitions can often be a springboard to cement a winning culture in a club. That’s why the likes of Mourinho take them seriously.

We on the other hand dismiss them and then wonder why we win fuck all.
I don't think that Poch or anyone else has dismissed winning trophies so much as 'prioritised' some over others. That's another way of saying that when resources are finite they have had to be used to best effect. It's also been Poch's way of getting his Spurs players to take setback in their stride and to quickly look forward to the next task.

It's really only people with spare time on their hands — people like us —and often at a distance from the intensity of team effort, and media types with so much media space to fill with chat, who have the luxury of dwelling on what gets to matter less with each passing week and month.
 

archiewasking

Waiting for silverware..........
Jul 5, 2004
7,870
11,705
The thing about that final, just like the Europa League Final between Arsenal and Chelsea a few days before, is that none of the four English clubs involved did themselves justice. All of them disappointed to some degree. Frustrating though our Spurs performance was on the night, and that bloody penalty awarded against us on such a silly basis within what, 24 seconds?, what was encouraging was that Spurs had so much more to express, and had not really played to our capabilities. It would have been far worse had we bust a bullock trying to win and yet still failed — that would have been ominous, and far more upsetting to contemplate, for where Tottenham is as a club. Perspective and getting things into proportion is everything.

I respectfully don't agree with the bit about not playing to our capabilities being encouraging. If we'd gone down playing as we can, all guns blazing, shots cleared off the line, hitting the woodwork, the Pool goalie pulling off worldies, at least we would have been able to take pride in heroic, rather than damp squib failure. That's what hurts most about that final for me.
 

McFlash

In the corner, eating crayons.
Oct 19, 2005
12,875
46,001
The thing about that final, just like the Europa League Final between Arsenal and Chelsea a few days before, is that none of the four English clubs involved did themselves justice. All of them disappointed to some degree. Frustrating though our Spurs performance was on the night, and that bloody penalty awarded against us on such a silly basis within what, 24 seconds?, what was encouraging was that Spurs had so much more to express, and had not really played to our capabilities. It would have been far worse had we bust a bullock trying to win and yet still failed — that would have been ominous, and far more upsetting to contemplate, for where Tottenham is as a club. Perspective and getting things into proportion is everything.
The penalty was a kick in the stones and ruined the game but I don't really find any solace in the fact we didn't turn up.
I'd much rather have lost, knowing that we tried to win.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
46,682
104,959
I'm amazed there's no ITK coming out of the club at all, either in support or concern.

Nothing in the papers either. When AVB was sacked we had loads of coverage in the papers, mainly from Ashton. Maybe we need to look back to then and see if there was any ITK then that he was on his way out or whether it was just newspaper pressure.

Edit: just had a look back through the ITK threads from December 2013 (there's 3 before the 13 December when AVB was sacked) and there is nothing. The only ITK I found talking about the manager at all was Hertyid saying the manager's job was safe and that was on 10 December.

So basically, don't expect to hear anything until it happens (if it happens)!
 
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danielneeds

Kick-Ass
May 5, 2004
24,182
48,812
The penalty was a kick in the stones and ruined the game but I don't really find any solace in the fact we didn't turn up.
I'd much rather have lost, knowing that we tried to win.
I really don’t see it that way. Both teams struggled after the three week break. There was no rhythm to the match. Liverpool got their goal and just sat back and hoped to catch us with a counter. We controlled the ball and had some decent openings, but Van Dijk and a lack of quality in the final ball let us down.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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I really don’t see it that way. Both teams struggled after the three week break. There was no rhythm to the match. Liverpool got their goal and just sat back and hoped to catch us with a counter. We controlled the ball and had some decent openings, but Van Dijk and a lack of quality in the final ball let us down.

That was the final in a nutshell.
 

dagraham

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Sep 20, 2005
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I respectfully don't agree with the bit about not playing to our capabilities being encouraging. If we'd gone down playing as we can, all guns blazing, shots cleared off the line, hitting the woodwork, the Pool goalie pulling off worldies, at least we would have been able to take pride in heroic, rather than damp squib failure. That's what hurts most about that final for me.

Quite. Failing to perform in the biggest game for a generation and a chance that is not likely to come around again for a long time is hardly a cause for celebration.
 

WiganSpur

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Aug 31, 2012
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He's going to be here for West Ham now. Think it'll mean he will go when Bayern likely give us another gubbing next month and our league form is no different. But that would be far too late to salvage the season and I highly doubt Mourinho or other qualified coaches would be interested in taking over in that scenario.
 

Shadydan

Well-Known Member
Jul 7, 2012
38,247
104,143
I am not surprised that, that is the party line. Those same people need to look at the 10's of thousands of supporters/followers and give a public re-assurance.

He only has 5000 followers so not sure they'd be any point to that, if they wanted to give a public reassurance they'd do it through the media.
 

PeeLee

Active Member
Oct 2, 2019
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Just thought I'd have a look online at a few polls and the majority of fans want posh to keep his job. The Fighting Cock on Twitter from 1,200 people is 75% keep to 25% sack. On the Evening Standard its 66% keep to 34% sack. Thats only 2 polls but he seems to still have the backing of most of the fans.

I don't know what to say really about that.
What to make of it? Those most likely to be voting against Poch in such polls are fans of rival clubs who can see full well how destructive of Spurs such a departure of Poch from our club would be. The kind of people who must be pissing themselves laughing at the nihilism and sheer clueless numptyism of some of our Mr Angry and Mr Fickle types who have spent weeks on their online campaign of knocking, slagging off and denouncing Spurs players, owners, tactics, performances, coaching staff and every other thing to do with Spurs.

So those minority-poll-votes mentioned above, are not just minority but padded-out-by-rivals minority votes. You'd find too, I suspect, that the majority votes in such polls above comprise many Spurs supporters furious with the kind of destructive manoeuvre that has been attempted in recent weeks.
 

Tiberius Gracchus

Well-Known Member
Jan 22, 2004
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Foolish to have confidence that the club will invest in around 10 new players with the needed quality by next summer.
And as we have learned by Poch it takes us two years to fully integrate new players.
A process Kane , Son and co. in their prime surely support with patience. (y)

I think the rebuild could take a couple of years (rather than signing 10 top players by next summer( with a phase 1 to be completed next summer and then a phase 2 over the following year

Agree that the top players probably won’t stick around
 
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