The Mauricio Pochettino thread

WiganSpur · Oct 30, 2019

Shadydan said:
The situations aren't really comparable though are they

I'm not trying to defend AVB in any way but objectively I think they are. Poor football, a few hammerings etc. In fact, as i've said, I think AVB had it tougher.

There can surely be nothing but blind loyalty and emotional attachment keeping him in the job now. That's the point i'm trying to make.

Shadydan · Oct 30, 2019

WiganSpur said:
I'm not trying to defend AVB in any way but objectively I think they are. Poor football, a few hammerings etc. In fact, as i've said, I think AVB had it tougher.

There can surely be nothing but blind loyalty and emotional attachment keeping him in the job now. That's the point i'm trying to make.

Poch has 5 years of Goodwill behind him and a massive contract to boot and seemingly a lot more respect for Poch than AVB which is probably why he's giving him time.

Ronwol196061 · Oct 30, 2019

WiganSpur said:
I'm not trying to defend AVB in any way but objectively I think they are. Poor football, a few hammerings etc. In fact, as i've said, I think AVB had it tougher.

There can surely be nothing but blind loyalty and emotional attachment keeping him in the job now. That's the point i'm trying to make.

But AVB proved nothing at all
Although we haven't won anything Poch instilled pride in many aspects of our game,AVB didn't.
Poch hasn't grown for 2 seasons. AVB really didn't do anything except wear a tie I think

Metalhead · Oct 30, 2019

Ronwol196061 said:
Are you talking to me?

I don't see anyone else in the room.

WiganSpur · Oct 30, 2019

Ronwol196061 said:
But AVB proved nothing at all
Although we haven't won anything Poch instilled pride in many aspects of our game,AVB didn't.
Poch hasn't grown for 2 seasons. AVB really didn't do anything except wear a tie I think

But this is all stuff that he was doing just over a year ago, not what he's doing now. By this logic, Arsenal should re-appoint Wenger, if you see what i'm getting at.

Shadydan · Oct 30, 2019

WiganSpur said:
But this is all stuff that he did just over a year ago, not what he's doing now. By this logic, Arsenal should re-appoint Wenger, if you see what i'm getting at.

He did it over a 5 year period.

WiganSpur · Oct 30, 2019

Shadydan said:
He did it over a 5 year period.

I'm referring to the last point in time when we were 100% confident in Poch.

Metalhead · Oct 30, 2019

Metalhead said:
I don't see anyone else in the room.

@Ronwol196061 sorry, that was an attempt at a quote from Taxi Driver.

shelfboy68 · Oct 30, 2019

Gb160 said:
We're on the telly.

Well it might be on in your gaff mate but...

Spunkmonkey · Oct 30, 2019

WiganSpur said:
So Daniel Levy sacks Villas-Boas mid season after a short period of poor form, an injury ravaged squad still gelling together, with seemingly no one in mind to replace him apart from Tim fucking Sherwood.

Yet keeps Pochettino on as coach when we've had a year of poor form, there are barely any mitigating factors, and coaches like Mourinho and Allegri are free and likely willing to take over.

Levy wanted to appoint Louis Van Gaal when he sacked AVB. However Van Gaal would not take the job mid season.

Shadydan · Oct 30, 2019

Shadydan said:
He did it over a 5 year period.

Well despite the league form the CL run gave him a lot of credit in the bank.

It's been less than a year since we've been utterley shit consistently so I understand Levy wanting to hold fire for the time being.

WiganSpur · Oct 30, 2019

Spunkmonkey said:
Levy wanted to appoint Louis Van Gaal when he sacked AVB. However Van Gaal would not take the job mid season.

Ok. So in that case why not keep AVB on until the end of the season, with a chance there that the team would have gelled and improved. Or appoint a grossly under qualified big mouth?

Regardless, I don't want to get into an AVB discussion. My intention is only to point out that from the outside, there is currently no coherent logic for retaining Poch at this time and question why Levy wouldn't pull the trigger when he has in earlier cases. Cases where actually there was much more of an argument to be heard from either side of manager in or manager out.

bat-chain · Oct 30, 2019

I think it’s important to remember that Daniel Levy actually knows Pochettino just as he knew Villas-Boas, he knows the person in a way we never can.

If he decides to give one loads more time than the other that is probably based on talking and working with that person every day. And as a result being able to to talk to the people who work with that person.

The fact Levy hasn’t reacted must surely hint that things can be fixed and are not as bad behind the scenes as results suggest.

Shadydan · Oct 30, 2019

bat-chain said:
I think it’s important to remember that Daniel Levy actually knows Pochettino just as he knew Villas-Boas, he knows the person in a way we never can.

If he decides to give one loads more time than the other that is probably based on talking and working with that person every day. And as a result being able to to talk to the people who work with that person.

The fact Levy hasn’t reacted must surely hint that things can be fixed and are not as bad behind the scenes as results suggest.

We haven't even heard a hint of it from the media or ITK, suggests that we're a long way of that at the moment.

dondo · Oct 30, 2019

ackie said:
I've watched some games again and looked at our squad.
Although the evident problems at the moment, I personally think, whether it is Mopo or the next manager, we have a very good young squad that simply needs a bit tweaking.
I've been very impressed by both Ndombele and Lo Celso.
We haven't seen Sess yet and I believe with the likes of foyth and winks we have a good crop of young players.
We definitely just need to get rid of those who don't want to be here.
This season players like Kane, Son, sissoko, and lamela have impressed...
Let's just wait if they can all gel and bring a string winning mentality.
They've had a week to train and focus and I'm for one hoping that this weekend we can win again.

How has le Celso impressed you?
I’m sure he will be a good player for us in the future but he has done absolutely nothing in his very limited game time thus far

sausage · Oct 30, 2019

WiganSpur said:
I'm not trying to defend AVB in any way but objectively I think they are. Poor football, a few hammerings etc. In fact, as i've said, I think AVB had it tougher.

There can surely be nothing but blind loyalty and emotional attachment keeping him in the job now. That's the point i'm trying to make.

It's worth pointing out that Levy, so it is said, didn't actually sack or intend to sack AVB when they had the post-Liverpool meeting. The insinuation was that he wanted to give AVB time, but AVB didn't want to continue.

He has said this, since:

"In the second season, at the time I left we had more points than in the previous campaign. I ended up leaving by mutual agreement – I wasn’t sacked – because I gave full support to the football director Franco Baldini despite him having other ambitions, meaning that I ended up with players that did not fit the profile I wanted."

Of course AVB is teflon coated and full of shoite, so I wouldn't believe a word he said necessarily.

dondo · Oct 30, 2019

Shadydan said:
We haven't even heard a hint of it from the media or ITK, suggests that we're a long way of that at the moment.

The Pochettino out brigade is only in here and on social media in my experience

Gb160 · Oct 30, 2019

dondo said:
The Pochettino our brigade is only in here and on social media in my experience

Probably Russian bots.

Shadydan · Oct 30, 2019

dondo said:
The Pochettino our brigade is only in here and on social media in my experience

A lot easier to be vocal if you're in the minority behind your computer screen.

The Opinionated Lurker · Oct 30, 2019

Shadydan said:
A lot easier to be vocal if you're in the minority behind your computer screen.

I wonder who it was booing at half time in the Watford game, must’ve been a bunch of ghosts

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