Everlasting Seconds
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On is not a Tottenham fan if one is endorsing lingering around at bottom half of the table. In that case one is a Pochettino fan, not a Tottenham fan.
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That is the narrative. Partly driven by Sky and Neville.
Now - I'm not going to say Pochettino didn't do a great job for a couple of seasons, but I think it is also exaggerated how much he "elevated" us.
First season under him we took less points (64) than AVB/Sherwood managed before him (69). In Pochettino's second season we ended up with 70. 1 point better than AVB/Sherwood and 2 points less than AVB in his last full season. Then we had that one season with 86 points which is arguable the best we have had since the 60s (certainly 80s). 17/18 was also very good with 77, but we have been trending fairly hard downward since 16/17 in the league - both in terms of points and performances. At times in 16/17 we just steam rolled teams - now every game seems to be a grind (with the odd exception of CP etc.). 71 last year - which is worse than AVB in 12/13. And it would be some miracle if we reached 70 this year. Maybe 64 is within reach? Back to square one in terms of points in the league.
I used to really like Pochettino. He seems like a great man. He was always looking forward to something. And he seemed to really care. Even when he was calm he had some enthusiasm about him. That Pochettino is not there any longer. One thing is not giving instructions etc. during games (that I think got limited value anyway), but his press conferences, interviews etc. have all changed. He is the Eriksen of managers. Eriksen has never tackled anyone, but he was always covering space defensively. He cared. Now he doesn't.
I really hope Pochettino can get us back to 16/17, but I don't see it. To me that looks more like a "Ranieri-season" than him being that good of a manager.
Rout-Ledge
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We’re all Tottenham fans.
Stamford
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Doesn't mean we don't want him to go. I wouldn't boo at a game or chant Poch out but I definitely want him gone asap.
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Absolutely this. It makes me laugh how so called pundits reel out this narrative. Spurs since 2005 have been Top 6 regulars. That is 14 years. Jol Finished 5th, Redknapp & AVB finished 4th, even Sherwood finished 6th. Yes we improved under Poch in the 15/16 & 16/17 season, I think in my life time that last season at the Lane was the best I've seen. But sadly since then we have gone backwards and to type. Last season's and the season before point tally was roughly the same AVB & Redknapp got. This season looks like it is much worse.
But the way some of the media portray our rise as some sort of rags to riches story is just plain wrong.
I’m a ST holder who pays a small fortune to watch the team so I can say what the hell I like. I’ve seen more than enough to know that a change needs to be made sooner rather than later because that would benefit the club far mthan leaving this joke in charge any longer. If it means we need a thrashing on Sunday to speed this process up, so be it. We haven’t won away in the league since that pathetic performance and spawny win against Fulham in Feb so who cares about one more loss right?
now you jog on.
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and others are to blame for taking their eyes off the turkey whilst playing about with too much stuffing and two veg and gravy.
EastLondonYid
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Spot on mate. We were already there or thereabouts. Poch did well to get us a bit higher but he hardly transformed us. We were losing cup semi finals under Redknapp and AvB too.
the truth is Poch did a really good job for a period, but also managed a really talented squad too and it is arguable that him not winning a trophy with team we had was actually a big failure.
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It will be interesting to see how long Levy allows this to go on for, he pulled the trigger on AVB in mid December when we were 7th in the table and 8 points off 1st, come December we'll be floundering around 17th at this rate unless we turn a corner and fast. Ive said numerous times I want Poch to be able to turn our fortunes around and still hope he does but I must admit im wavering, our run of results in 2019 is horrid.
Whether Levy is looking at that and thinking well we didn't freshen up the squad last year and and is taking some of the blame for that himself which in turn is affording Poch extra time who knows, but we need to sort this shit show out starting Sunday, he needs to start picking a settled 11 for starters, and by that I mean playing the 11 who started Red Star, if they're fit.
Whether Levy is looking at that and thinking well we didn't freshen up the squad last year and and is taking some of the blame for that himself which in turn is affording Poch extra time who knows, but we need to sort this shit show out starting Sunday, he needs to start picking a settled 11 for starters, and by that I mean playing the 11 who started Red Star, if they're fit.
Spurs_Bear
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In fairness that was only one person. God rest his soul.
fishhhandaricecake
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spot on mate, I said the same thing a few weeks back and a select few slated it but I can see the downward spiral unfolding and for the greater good of the club if it means getting thrashed at Everton and falling to 16/17th for levy to look at pulling the trigger than so be it because if we carry on like we are we’re not far off relegation form and also it’s a tipping point of keeping certain key players like Kane etc, if we keep stagnating and getting worse kane will be off this summer and it all falls apart, we need to act now and get a world class manager in who can re motivate and get the best out of what is a very talented group of players.
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I’m a match going fan. I will always support the team and manager in the stadium. It doesn’t stop me from wanting him to go now.
fishhhandaricecake
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Shut up mate no need for bollocks posts like this, are you a secret gooner? Either way put a lid on it.
austinfh
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hoping for a thrashing when we've not even had all our summer signings available together yet this season, i'm sorry but hoping for our team to lose because you want the manager sacked just screams Arsenal to me. I want Poch to turn it around, believe that he still has the support of the players, and think he deserves our support
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Shut up mate no need for bollocks posts like this, are you a secret gooner? Either way put a lid on it.
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Shut up mate no need for bollocks posts like this, are you a secret gooner? Either way put a lid on it.
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Jog on you mug......acting hard behind your pc.......
spursfan77
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As opposed to people who'll just happily sit back and watch the club be average like we have our whole lives. Maybe some of us longer supporting fans are part of the problem tolerating the bad times and mediocrity. I sit there in my seat in the south lower and its full of guys in their 50s doing nothing but sitting there not even singing or getting one bit emotional about the game and it does my head in. It's meant to be the part of the ground which drives the team on but it doesn't. Now maybe if we had a few younger, newer fans that might help. Those that want success and arent tarnish by decades of under achievement.
Just a thought.
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I applaud your passion. I am at every home game, and the average cost per game for me is circa £200 (all in). ST prices near me is £2,300. The prices on average I would hazard a guess is to say between £1,500-£1,600. I have people where I am flying over from Norway, and hotel it, costing them near £200 on top. I mention all this, to say that those that are privileged to go, as some are not, they are fully entitled to state their opinions. And it does not matter if it is the BsoDL’s, or Poch in/out. They are entitled to make their emotions show in their post without being negged.
My stance is, I want Poch to get it right pretty sharpish, as he is running almost on empty. And his privileges are disappearing rapidly. So to stick to my opening post. He needs to start playing GLC, RS. And he now NEEDS to start building his game around TN, who will never be a high energy player for 90 minutes, if you understand what I am saying. Play him where he is effective, and have workers around him.
stonebrow
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Sounds like he has more time yet and his departure isn’t imminent.
spursfan77
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Levy had Sherwood in his ear then though. There's nobody at the club (as far as we know) about to stab the manager in the back and use his mates in the press to get Poch out.
Also, and I made this point earlier about he hasn't lost the match going fans, AVB had and it was quite noticeable. As soon as that starts to happen is when Levy will get anxious.
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