The Mauricio Pochettino thread

doctor stefan Freud · Oct 11, 2019

BringBack_leGin said:
So Modric, bought in 2008 as an upcoming creative midfielder with a big future, and Ndombele, who we bought in summer 2019 as an upcoming creative midfielder with a big future, were the same price?

I disagree, respectfully. How many years was Mangala at City before leaving? He had no reason to leave, he was better paid than he would be anywhere else, so saw it out until leaving for free. Eric Bailly has managed a mere 50 league appearances (inexplicably, I think he has ability), in the past 3 seasons (25 across the past two), is yet to appear this season, and is still at Utd. Rojo worse, 73 across the previous 5 seasons, with 14 only across the previous 2, and 1 so far this season. He’s still there.

Batshusyi, Moses, Zappacosta, Morata, Drinkwater, Rahmann, all unwanted high earning and difficult to shift.

Wellbeck, Elneny, Ospina, Mkhitaryan, Chambers, all unwanted, none easily (or at all) shifted.

Sturbridge, Ings, Moreno, Grujic, Clyne, Lovren, high earning, very low appearances over at least the past two seasons.

Even if we don’t pay as much as the rest of the top 6, we pay considerably more than everyone else. Ergo, why should our well paid player choose to earn less, at a worse club, why should we subsidise his remaining contract while taking a hit on a transfer fee, and why should another club pay top whack in Either wages or fee?

It’s not easy. Big clubs have deadwood because they pay a premium for players and then struggle to shift them. Every single big club.
No exception.

This is why we tolerate you

Lighty64 · Oct 12, 2019

vuzp said:
i know what you are saying but it really drives me nuts to see the word unmotivated when it is connected to a professional footballer or team and more so when it is about Spurs.
how can anyone getting what they are paid be unmotivated?? yes we all get our bad days and we have been in a rut but this is incredible what is happening this season.

I have tried staying away from this thread, but I'm so bloody bored so have had a little bit of a catch up last few days

the players that are showing little motivation are 4 of our lowest earners, none of them have renewed their contracts since we were at the old WHL.

Metalhead · Oct 12, 2019

doctor stefan Freud said:
This is why we tolerate you

It was a good post and it is true that other clubs have unwanted players. I guess that it's all about how they are managed then.

Japhet · Oct 12, 2019

vuzp said:
i know what you are saying but it really drives me nuts to see the word unmotivated when it is connected to a professional footballer or team and more so when it is about Spurs.
how can anyone getting what they are paid be unmotivated?? yes we all get our bad days and we have been in a rut but this is incredible what is happening this season.

They live in a different world mate. They don't have mortgages or rent to pay. They don't have to bother about car payments or dread the next set of bills dropping through the letter box. Money isn't a great motivator when you've lost touch with it's value and you don't know what to do with what you already have. For footballers it seems to be more of a kudos thing than anything else.

dondo · Oct 12, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
But when Tottenham does play in Europa League, it IS treated as the worst thing in the world and fans can't wait to be out of the competition. So it will only serve as yet another of very many excuses.
However, drop down to EL and hire Mourinho ...

I’m sure the fans would change their mind if we got the later stages

Shadydan · Oct 12, 2019

Footy insider probably BS but anyway:

Tottenham news: Rarely-seen quartet key to planned reshuffle

Four rarely-seen Tottenham players are set for big roles as Mauricio Pochettino plans to reshuffle his pack after international break

www.footballinsider247.com

jondy1 · Oct 12, 2019

I hope that article not true, because they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?I know that’s not 100% true in this case but you get my drift.since feb 27th we have played 20 pl games, lost 10,drawn 4,won 6 giving us 22 pts out of a possible 60 , as Roy Keane would say, shocking?

Shadydan · Oct 12, 2019

jondy1 said:
I hope that article not true, because they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?I know that’s not 100% true in this case but you get my drift.since feb 27th we have played 20 pl games, lost 10,drawn 4,won 6 giving us 22 pts out of a possible 60 , as Roy Keane would say, shocking?

Quite happy this morning aren't you.

dondo · Oct 12, 2019

wrd said:
It could be an interesting moment in the history of player power, we could be the team that shows the players they're not the ones who decide and they better get in line. teams tend to universally side with the players and the cycle continues and we're going against the grain here.

Pochettino has done it before when he ditched adebayor, kaboul, capoue and Lennon in his 1st season Anastasia was a turning point in our recent history.
The 2 key points for me are does Pochettino want to be here for the long term and are the key players who will be here next season still on poch’s side ie Kane, Lloris

spids · Oct 12, 2019

jondy1 said:
I hope that article not true, because they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?I know that’s not 100% true in this case but you get my drift.since feb 27th we have played 20 pl games, lost 10,drawn 4,won 6 giving us 22 pts out of a possible 60 , as Roy Keane would say, shocking?

Which article? The one that says he will refresh the side with younger players and the new signings and try a different approach? Exactly what we need. Players who do not want to be here should not be part of the first team squad. What would be doing the same thing over and over is picking the same players who consistently put in lacklustre performances.

jondy1 · Oct 12, 2019

spids said:
Which article? The one that says he will refresh the side with younger players and the new signings and try a different approach? Exactly what we need.

Yes we definitely need to refresh the squad and reset to 5 years ago where we have won zilch , and what’s this different approach you mention because Poch had the best squad in the premier league for a couple of seasons and Won nothing, I am of the opinion now we achieved slightly higher league finishes not because of Poch but inspite of him. But the game is all about opinions and I respect yours

JUSTINSIGNAL · Oct 12, 2019

We achieved those high league finishes despite Poch not because of him? hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahah

I've seen it all now.

jondy1 · Oct 12, 2019

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
We achieved those high league finishes despite Poch not because of him? hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahah

I've seen it all now.

Ha ha I did say slightly higher finishes not high finishes

mattyspurs · Oct 12, 2019

Chimbo! said:
Having thought about this more, I’m coming to the conclusion that no one is really to blame for our dodgy start to the Season. Everyone is doing the best in the circumstances. Poch has not been backed how he should. And our team has gone stale and become unmotivated. But with the stadium investment we are limited in what we can do to resolve that. Sometimes bad stuff happens but there’s no single reason or person to blame. Life is complicated. Sometimes you just have to persevere through.

This isn’t a go at you dude, but I just don’t get this ‘unmotivated.’ line that I see getting trotted out.

Liverpool who I detest, lost the CL final. They regrouped, bought a couple of players, yes Allison cost a lot but still, only a couple, then went on to push City all the way in the PL and went one further in the CL They were not ‘unmotivated’

Who motivated them? Klopp? Themselves?

We lost the CL final,got in 3 targets Poch wanted, yet we’ve gone backwards. Why is this? How has this happened?

I just don’t get it

danielneeds · Oct 12, 2019

mattyspurs said:
This isn’t a go at you dude, but I just don’t get this ‘unmotivated.’ line that I see getting trotted out.

Liverpool who I detest, lost the CL final. They regrouped, bought a couple of players, yes Allison cost a lot but still, only a couple, then went on to push City all the way in the PL and went one further in the CL They were not ‘unmotivated’

Who motivated them? Klopp? Themselves?

We lost the CL final,got in 3 targets Poch wanted, yet we’ve gone backwards. Why is this? How has this happened?

I just don’t get it

Clue to what motivated them: Liverpool have a far larger wage bill than us.

spursfan77 · Oct 12, 2019

mattyspurs said:
This isn’t a go at you dude, but I just don’t get this ‘unmotivated.’ line that I see getting trotted out.

Liverpool who I detest, lost the CL final. They regrouped, bought a couple of players, yes Allison cost a lot but still, only a couple, then went on to push City all the way in the PL and went one further in the CL They were not ‘unmotivated’

Who motivated them? Klopp? Themselves?

We lost the CL final,got in 3 targets Poch wanted, yet we’ve gone backwards. Why is this? How has this happened?

I just don’t get it

Klopp’s experience and the mentality of their players compared to ours

mattyspurs · Oct 12, 2019

danielneeds said:
Clue to what motivated them: Liverpool have a far larger wage bill than us.

I’m not buying this line anymore.
Our players have had decent pay rises recently. They are no longer ‘paupers’ in the current climate

mattyspurs · Oct 12, 2019

spursfan77 said:
Klopp’s experience and the mentality of their players compared to ours

So what you are saying then is that Poch is not experienced enough to make us into winners?
You don’t need experience to be able to go again and motivate your players to try again. Use Liverpool as the blueprint surely that’s motivation in itself??

danielneeds · Oct 12, 2019

mattyspurs said:
I’m not buying this line anymore.
Our players have had decent pay rises recently. They are no longer ‘paupers’ in the current climate

You can buy it or not, but the reason most of them want to run their contracts down is to get a big pay day. Although they’re all playing so shite now that they may be jeopardising it now.

BringBack_leGin · Oct 12, 2019

danielneeds said:
Clue to what motivated them: Liverpool have a far larger wage bill than us.

Don’t buy it. Harry knew his worth when, off the back of finishing with 30 league goals, about to turn 25, and about to captain England at the World Cup, he signed a six year deal.

Also, what motivated Leicester players to the title? Leicester certainly didn’t (and still don’t) pay as much as us.

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