dagraham
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Particularly when you put Harry Kane into the equation.
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Particularly when you put Harry Kane into the equation.
Yeah we do see what is going on. Bad apples on the outs already ruining everything like bad apples were in his first season. If players like Eriksen and Toby are still in the 18 next week, this shit will continue.
Uhhh, Trix. The rebuild is happening with or without Poch. You of all people should know that. We literally have 6 first team players that should be leaving the club, 5 of whom in our first XI.
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I don’t get this rebuild narrative. What about the players poch already brought in. Sanchez, foyth and moura. They are barely getting any game time. We still have lo celso and sessegnon to come in plus ndombele is settling in quite nicely. The rebuild has already begun they just need game time. Albeit we need a new RB and possibly a LB if rose head really isn’t in it anymore.
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True and that is sad.
We had a good TW. Poch said it just needed to close.
A few weeks later he talks about rebuild and can't wait until the January TW.
We were going into the season thinking like: This is THE SEASON we win something, and Poch has turned it into some rebuild-bollocks I don't fucking buy.
It's just more excuses and we can't afford to throw the "Next-season-card" like Liverpool used to.
He has the 3rd best squad in the league, and should be wining something with that squad. Instead more BS from the man. I'm sick of it!
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WalkerboyUK
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It's a good article and it does lead to two questions:
a) Can Poch adjust his tactics to account for the issue of an aging squad?
b) If not, how does the club go about rebuilding and lowering the average age, while trying to compete?
dondo
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Maybe Pochettino doesn’t/didn’t rate the mentioned players, they have hardly set the world alight here or anywhere else.
If Pochettino got sacked now surely the new manager would inherit the same problems??
Imo Pochettino has earned enough credit to built a new young team and won’t have the same problem of shifting players out as he did last summer as Eriksen, Toby, Vertonghen are all out of contract, Rose and Wanyama we have 1 year left IIRC
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What we need to understand about Poch and what made him so successful was the youthfulness of our squad when he took over and in the first 2 years of his tenure. It's been 4 more years since then, and these players are no longer youthful or full of energy and some of them as mentioned already have a foot out the door.
That being said, one thing that could be Poch's undoing is the fact that he can't seem to get a tick out of experienced, older players even if these are the same players who previously thrived under him. His system and tactics are based on high energy and the high press, which will ALWAYS fade with age. He needs to find the happy medium between youth and experience which is why I find it baffling that we haven't given Skipp, Tan and Parrott to name a few the chance to play and step up. Instead we are stuck with players who don't want to be here or who don't buy into Poch's ethos anymore and I feel like this is the reason we are experiencing these problems all over the pitch. I'd rather we struggle each game with academy prospects than to struggle and lose anyway with players that should be up there with some of the best in their positions, if they could be arsed to put in a performance.
Klopp, Mourinho and Pep have adjusted their tactics to suit both youthful players as well as experienced players, this is why they are considered three of the best managers in the world. There are other high level managers who can work with both groups of players too, but this is the level that Poch and ourselves are aiming to achieve so I have used them as reference. Poch needs to work with experienced players too and adapt his tactics to match or we will constantly be looking for younger more mold-able players and this will leave us in a constant loop of transition.
That being said, one thing that could be Poch's undoing is the fact that he can't seem to get a tick out of experienced, older players even if these are the same players who previously thrived under him. His system and tactics are based on high energy and the high press, which will ALWAYS fade with age. He needs to find the happy medium between youth and experience which is why I find it baffling that we haven't given Skipp, Tan and Parrott to name a few the chance to play and step up. Instead we are stuck with players who don't want to be here or who don't buy into Poch's ethos anymore and I feel like this is the reason we are experiencing these problems all over the pitch. I'd rather we struggle each game with academy prospects than to struggle and lose anyway with players that should be up there with some of the best in their positions, if they could be arsed to put in a performance.
Klopp, Mourinho and Pep have adjusted their tactics to suit both youthful players as well as experienced players, this is why they are considered three of the best managers in the world. There are other high level managers who can work with both groups of players too, but this is the level that Poch and ourselves are aiming to achieve so I have used them as reference. Poch needs to work with experienced players too and adapt his tactics to match or we will constantly be looking for younger more mold-able players and this will leave us in a constant loop of transition.
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If Poch is so interested in building a new young hungry team, why give Sissoko a new 4 year contract and play him ahead of KWP?
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As others have said, if Eriksen and Toby are in the starting 11 against Watford, we know Poch doesn't believe he can turn it round and is just waiting for a mega payout when Levy loses his poop and sacks him.
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Because he's better than KWP?
Well it isn't only Eriksen and Toby is it? Do you think anyone in our squad is playing well right now?
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Of course he doesn't rate them, or else he'd play them. Doesn't mean he's right, and we can't tell because they don't get a chance.
From what I've seen of Parrott, he looks sharp. Other managers would be giving him 20 mins here and there. A broken Wanyama is getting time ahead of the likes of Skipp. It's not something that makes a lot of sense for a manager praised for youth chances.
In the past, we've given them a chance and then at least sold them to their level for decent fees (Pritch, Mason, Bentaleb etc), and it's not like any of them look as shocking as what we've seen from established players lately.
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i think the importance of CL to recruiting players can be overstated, Aubameyang signed for scum with no CL, Hazard stayed at Chelsea, when Chelsea didnt have cl they still signed players and Man u signed Maquire, think ambition and wages are ultimately more important. it isnt as if we have attracted anyone over the last few windows anyway
Yep.What recruits players is money. Too bad levy wont cough it upi think the importance of CL to recruiting players can be overstated, Aubameyang signed for scum with no CL, Hazard stayed at Chelsea, when Chelsea didnt have cl they still signed players and Man u signed Maquire, think ambition and wages are ultimately more important. it isnt as if we have attracted anyone over the last few windows anyway
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Poch has lacked both the guts to cast the exiteers aside, and the tactical acumen to work around their premature lack of commitment to the cause. He's also had bad luck with RS and GLC of course.
He's fcked up before and still found a way through, but not 9 months worth of over-playing near our own goal line, poor pressing, awful set pieces, predicatably impactless subs and destablising ramblings in pc's.
This gets worse, quite a bit worse I reckon, before it gets better
He's fcked up before and still found a way through, but not 9 months worth of over-playing near our own goal line, poor pressing, awful set pieces, predicatably impactless subs and destablising ramblings in pc's.
This gets worse, quite a bit worse I reckon, before it gets better
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Sacking Pochettino and appointing a new man doesn’t guarantee top 4 either.
Whoever the manager is they will have done bloody well to get this squad a top 4 finish
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dondo
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I’m not saying I agree with everything Pochettino has done lately but he does see the players in training day in day out and would have a better knowledge of these young players and if they are ready for first team action
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If the players who want out are limited to only the ones we know.
If it's not others like Kane, Alli, Son
If Levy is willing to move heaven and earth to get 5-6 new players all by next summer
If Poch is willing to accept players other than first on his list
A good rebuild is possible.
But I do have other concerns, most notably tactical. Unless Poch is moving things around because he doesn't know what to do but will once the rebuild is done?! But do we have the ability to do it without falling away?
If it's not others like Kane, Alli, Son
If Levy is willing to move heaven and earth to get 5-6 new players all by next summer
If Poch is willing to accept players other than first on his list
A good rebuild is possible.
But I do have other concerns, most notably tactical. Unless Poch is moving things around because he doesn't know what to do but will once the rebuild is done?! But do we have the ability to do it without falling away?
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Good thing Poch can only find 4-5 players in the world he wants, if past windows is anything to go by. Will be easy to rebuild then.
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