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Hakkz

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If you sack Poch the problem still remain i.e. the squad is stale and well a bit shit... Would you rather another Manager spend the money or have Poch rebuild the squad again?

The squad wouldnt need rebuilding if we spent a bit int he last couple of years particularly in the last year in the build up to this summer.
Yes.
 
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muppetman

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I remember Wenger talking about how the players now hold the power (think the example at the time was Payet) and I think a lot of our issues are an unwillingness to take a cheaper bid for a player who doesn't want to be here - hopefully we learn from this.

My preference would be to keep Poch, he uses the youth players more and whilst we perhaps don't do as well we at least look like we have a plan we are trying to execute. This then gives him the time to use the next two windows to decent effect in plugging some gaps where kids are perhaps no longer up to it.

Losing games but blooding Sanchez, Foyth, KWP, Skipp etc would get me more excited then trying to get the last few drops of "giveashit" out of Eriksen, Dele, Toby etc.
 

wrd

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So we are desperate for a more solid defense, and you're hoping for an AM? :LOL:

No I meant that I believe we have more chance of Levy managing those deals than pulling off getting a DM/RB, I'd rather the DM/RB.
 

LeParisien

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I have noticed that some of the happy clappers who were telling us all that not buying anyone in the summer of 2018 wasn't a problem have been some of the first on the #pochout bandwagon
I was one of those happy clappers. I want poch to stay. I was also wrong that summer. Squads need renewal and selling and buying keeps players motivated.

I wish we had sold a few and bought a couple.

There would have been bigger howls on here about lacking ambition and selling our best players ( Walker) but in hindsight it would have been better.
 

wrd

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If it makes us all feel better. Dybala just smashed one in against Inter:cry:
 

wrd

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I have noticed that some of the happy clappers who were telling us all that not buying anyone in the summer of 2018 wasn't a problem have been some of the first on the #pochout bandwagon

I can't fucking winner this enough.
 

Hakkz

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I was one of those happy clappers. I want poch to stay. I was also wrong that summer. Squads need renewal and selling and buying keeps players motivated.

I wish we had sold a few and bought a couple.

There would have been bigger howls on here about lacking ambition and selling our best players ( Walker) but in hindsight it would have been better.

I still don't believe that there were no players available to us that couldn't improve our team.
 

pablo73

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I was one of those happy clappers. I want poch to stay. I was also wrong that summer. Squads need renewal and selling and buying keeps players motivated.

I wish we had sold a few and bought a couple.

There would have been bigger howls on here about lacking ambition and selling our best players ( Walker) but in hindsight it would have been better.

Fair play, you weren't one of the people I had in mind btw
 

Hakkz

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Is that a yes to both? just want to know for retort purposes...

Yes to the bolded bit. I don't trust Poch's judgement when scouting players.

EDIT: And to repeat it, I would love to have a DoF to do the job.
 

SheffieldAndy

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Yes to the bolded bit. I don't trust Poch's judgement when scouting players.

EDIT: And to repeat it, I would love to have a DoF to do the job.
You bolded both options, that’s why he didn’t know which it was a yes to.
 

Anurag Jo

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You’re the one complaining about signing nobody at all
If Levy sacks Poch then I think I will pass on my season ticket for others to use for a while! Yes we are poor at the moment but this is a coach that has given us our best period of play since Burkinshaw in the 80s. The decision should be whether Poch believes he can turn it around. I sat at the game on Tuesday and I looked at a side that was 1/2 the team we had 3 years ago through a combination of Father Time (catching up on a few Toby, Jan, Rose), failure to replace players (Walker, Dembele) and reduction in attitude / work rate (Son, Eriksen, Kane). The only failing of Poch (if rumours are to be believed) is not freshening up the squad over the past few years, only wanting plan A). I know for a fact Madison, Ricardo, Mane, and Pulisic were all offered to Spurs first.

We have gone from the youngest average age line up to one of the oldest. Reflecting why we do not press in the same way we did before. Quite simply we rested on our laurels with the squad and it now needs a complete overhaul, why could Poch not pull this off again unless he does not want to?

No coach in the world is taking this current squad and challenging for titles. The centre backs are gone physically, the full backs are not good enough. The midfield has nothing about them (although N’dembele ‘at co e good). The game now is about 21 to 26 year old players. Levy had a better strategy of selling our top players and re harvesting the squad before. Keeping hold of everyone got us to a UCL final but gave us a false economy for the mid term.

Personally I would do an NFL style rebuild. Sell Kane, Alli, Son, Rose, Eriksen (if we can) and buy 6-7 rising 20-23 year olds.

Fans can be patient with potential, but the team today is in such obvious deterioration and I am not sure much of the blame lays with Poch.
I just cannot understand how anyone can be okay with selling Harry kane.

Ffs he's our boy.
 

JCRD

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Yes to the bolded bit. I don't trust Poch's judgement when scouting players.

EDIT: And to repeat it, I would love to have a DoF to do the job.

You are right, hit does need to be questioned some of Poch's buys and decision making although it could be argued that, and it is plausible, that he isnt gettign all that he wants (I dont know for a fact)

I agree with a DoF to a point but i look at Evertone who have spent a whole heap of money and they have brought a fair bit of shite... So there are no guarantees it would work out.
 

Hakkz

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You are right, hit does need to be questioned some of Poch's buys and decision making although it could be argued that, and it is plausible, that he isnt gettign all that he wants (I dont know for a fact)

I agree with a DoF to a point but i look at Evertone who have spent a whole heap of money and they have brought a fair bit of shite... So there are no guarantees it would work out.

Could very well be that's the case. But last summer when we "couldn't find anyone" to sign, Poch seemed to only have de Jong and de Ligt in mind (de Ligt before that summer maybe). That's hardly class scouting, they were the most well-known wonderkids in Europe not at a top club. He also pushed hard for Janssen, which is the only one I know of that he really wanted and that can't be attributed to Mitchell (Alderweireld and Son for example).

That's what happens if the DoF gets to take a scattergun approach. You need a clear plan and sign players suited for a specific system. That means that you need the right person in place, of course. But at Everton I have no faith in Marco Silva either.
 

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If Levy let's Poch continue then he must bite the bullet and let the want away players (i.e. Toby, Jan & Eriksen) leave for a free in Jan.
Let Poch rebuild and accept CL might not come next year.
There can be no other way if Poch stays, that will send a clear message to the stragglers in the team.
 
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Mate, according to the Mirror, United have spent £968m in the transfer market since 2013. It's totally delusional to think they wouldn't back Poch.

That's a different argument altogether, but I'll address both sides:
- We broke our transfer record to sign a player Juve and Real were apparently closing in on, kept Eriksen and Toby (against all expectations), and added another potential record fee in Lo Celso (who, again, was being courted). We also sold Trippier off cheap as well as Janssen and GKN. I'm baffled as to why this isn't under the radar of "backing the manager" based on the fact that those were the players he targeted. The parallel is also in that we were inches away from signing Dybala and had a huge fee rejected for Bruno Fernandes.
- We publicly announced several players could leave, and no one wanted them aside from Wanyama, which has its own weird reasons about it.

As for United...
- They had a big manager in Mourinho who was crying out for a CB last summer, and Woodward faffed about and didn't get him one.
- Woodward also sold both of OGS's forwards in the same manner that people complain about Berba/Keane.

If you read RedCafe for the MU fan's perspective, it generally reads that they would happily trade EW for DL, and think the EW is hopeless and never backs managers.


As for Poch...
- His track record at signing players isn't good, so he's far from guaranteed success even if he is allowed to get who he wants. I am willing to bet people would struggle to put together a list of confirmed 'Poch' signings (based on reality/known info, not just picking the ones that turned out well) that have turned out well. His entire career has been built on making success out of adversity, and there's no evidence to suggest that he would handle big established signings that well.



To summarise:
- I think we did back him this summer
- I don't think there's evidence that he'd be any more 'backed' at united
- I don't think there's evidence he would succeed there, even if 'backed'
 

rossdapep

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That's a different argument altogether, but I'll address both sides:
- We broke our transfer record to sign a player Juve and Real were apparently closing in on, kept Eriksen and Toby (against all expectations), and added another potential record fee in Lo Celso (who, again, was being courted). We also sold Trippier off cheap as well as Janssen and GKN. I'm baffled as to why this isn't under the radar of "backing the manager" based on the fact that those were the players he targeted. The parallel is also in that we were inches away from signing Dybala and had a huge fee rejected for Bruno Fernandes.
- We publicly announced several players could leave, and no one wanted them aside from Wanyama, which has its own weird reasons about it.

As for United...
- They had a big manager in Mourinho who was crying out for a CB last summer, and Woodward faffed about and didn't get him one.
- Woodward also sold both of OGS's forwards in the same manner that people complain about Berba/Keane.

If you read RedCafe for the MU fan's perspective, it generally reads that they would happily trade EW for DL, and think the EW is hopeless and never backs managers.


As for Poch...
- His track record at signing players isn't good, so he's far from guaranteed success even if he is allowed to get who he wants. I am willing to bet people would struggle to put together a list of confirmed 'Poch' signings (based on reality/known info, not just picking the ones that turned out well) that have turned out well. His entire career has been built on making success out of adversity, and there's no evidence to suggest that he would handle big established signings that well.



To summarise:
- I think we did back him this summer
- I don't think there's evidence that he'd be any more 'backed' at united
- I don't think there's evidence he would succeed there, even if 'backed'
I'll back this up to.

My bro is a United fan and he hates Woodward. He can't get more than one transfer done at a time. He gets quoted high fees, refuses to pay it, then as time goes on the selling club raise the fee and he ends up paying the over inflation.

Levy is frustrating but Woodward is worse. He likes to back the manager but once there's a bump or two he stops giving them the reigns on signings. He gave Mourinho a contract extension, and you have to take that as Mourinho being told he'd be backed further. Yet months later he was being told he can't sign a new cb and Martial has to stay put.

On the other hand I think the young players would respond very well to him.
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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If Levy let's Poch continue then he must bite the bullet and let the want away players (i.e. Toby, Jan & Eriksen) leave for a free in Jan.
Let Poch rebuild and accept CL might not come next year.
There can be no other way if Poch stays, that will send a clear message to the stragglers in the team.

Ditch Europa and get a free, fatigue-less run at the league :cautious:
 
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