The Mauricio Pochettino thread

JayB · Oct 6, 2019

I have mixed feelings about Poch going to United.

On the one hand, we're in a crisis and in the short-term it would seem that we'd benefit from a new manager. On the other, you just know he'd go there having taken lessons away from his experience at Spurs on the importance of maintaining a youthful squad that can implement his tactics, be given full backing, and achieve what he should have done here.

Very conflicted as to how I'd feel if he left for them.

Gb160 · Oct 6, 2019

spursfan77 said:
It will be interesting to see what our players say while away on international duty. Their lips are always looser when with their national teams. I can’t believe one of them won’t drop Poch in it if asked and they are unhappy.

Well after reading Jack Pitt-Brooke's bit they're clearly not happy...
'The place is a regime and they’re sick of him' is the quote from a 'dressing room source'.
That's pretty brutal.

bat-chain · Oct 6, 2019

Pochettino going to Man Utd would be a special kind of hell.

I can’t and never will accept that could be good for us in any way.

spids · Oct 6, 2019

Hakkz said:
Don't compare the two. Just looks silly.

Pep is a manager who tends to have a limited shelf life at one club due to his intensity and methods. He’s a three year man like Mourinho.

Cambridge Spur · Oct 6, 2019

Cambridge Spur said:
I’m calling it....Poch to United, Eriksen and Toby to follow in the summer.

zime...how dare you give me my first disagree!?

wrd · Oct 6, 2019

pablo73 said:
The idea that if Poch stays that Levy will oversee some kind of major squad overhaul in January is just not based on reality

It'd have to be a mini one followed by a mega one in the summer. If he could remove Eriksen, Aurier, Wanyama and replace with a RB, DM and one of the two we was linked to in the summer in Fernandes/Dybala then that'd be a start. Then we'd need to have significantly more surgery come summertime.

spids · Oct 6, 2019

What I don’t understand is how the club clearly were happy for Aurier, Rose and Wanyama to leave this summer (and wanted Eriksen to leave or sign a new deal). And yet Poch has used them all this season, some almost in every game. All 4 of them should not have made a match-day squad this season.

Hakkz · Oct 6, 2019

spids said:
Pep is a manager who tends to have a limited shelf life at one club due to his intensity and methods. He’s a three year man like Mourinho.

Absolutely. I already thought that this was his last season at City, or the next one, anyway. That's how he rolls.

Most successful managers are 3-5 year men, I would say.

Hakkz · Oct 6, 2019

JayB said:
I have mixed feelings about Poch going to United.

On the one hand, we're in a crisis and in the short-term it would seem that we'd benefit from a new manager. On the other, you just know he'd go there having taken lessons away from his experience at Spurs on the importance of maintaining a youthful squad that can implement his tactics, be given full backing, and achieve what he should have done here.

Very conflicted as to how I'd feel if he left for them.

Nothing to suggest that he would be given "full" backing. Utd spend a lot on players, but that's because they aren't very good at doing deals..

dagraham · Oct 6, 2019

JayB said:
I have mixed feelings about Poch going to United.

On the one hand, we're in a crisis and in the short-term it would seem that we'd benefit from a new manager. On the other, you just know he'd go there having taken lessons away from his experience at Spurs on the importance of maintaining a youthful squad that can implement his tactics, be given full backing, and achieve what he should have done here.

Very conflicted as to how I'd feel if he left for them.

I would hate to see him go to Utd as they still have the funds to fully back him and he’s a far, far better manager than Ole.

Also, if he goes there and we cock up our choice of replacement and the season goes down the toilet it wouldn’t surprise me if Harry ended up following him.

spursfan77 · Oct 6, 2019

Poch going to Man Utd would be terrible. I’d rather keep him here and I think that’s a bad idea currently.

rossdapep · Oct 6, 2019

Pep is a manager who tends to have a limited shelf life at one club due to his intensity and methods. He’s a three year man like Mourinho.
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Who isn't though? Modern successful coaches tend to have a very intense way of playing and management style which means it can be heavy to deal with.

Anyway this is just a blip because of their lack of cbs

JayB · Oct 6, 2019

Hakkz said:
Nothing to suggest that he would be given "full" backing. Utd spend a lot on players, but that's because they aren't very good at doing deals..

I think it's a bit delusional to suggest that if he were the next United manager, they wouldn't deliver the players he wants. They've got more resources than just about any other club and aren't shy about wielding them. Whether Ed Woodward gets rinsed for 10% more than he ought to pay is immaterial to the question of whether they'd deliver Poch's targets.

The only reason Mourinho wasn't given what he wanted was because he was asking for aging players, and after Alexis they weren't willing to do it anymore. Poch would want young, hungry players which aligns with Woodward's philosophy so I don't think there's any doubt he'd be backed.

danielneeds · Oct 6, 2019

mike_l said:
Tbh I really want him to sort it out, forget the stupid massive rebuild he reckons we need, fuck Eriksen off to the U23s until the Summer or January if it forces his hand into moving, bury the hatchet with Jan/Toby and use them ALONGSIDE Sanchez and Foyth to get the best out of all of them and start afresh with the squad he has.

The fact I want him to succeed is what annoys me most about him continually fucking the dog. I think he's too stubborn to go BACK to a past system as he wants to make the diamond work to vindicate himself, if we looked weak at the back but dangerous in attack it might not be so bad but we're leaky at the back and toothless in attack, there's no conviction in anything we do, which screams of the players having given up.

I'm rambling here, please turn it round Poch ???

The thing is the way things are now fucking Eriksen off to train with the kids and humiliating him will only lead to more dischord from other senior players who consider him a friend. It’s such a complicated situation in that training ground at the minute.

JayB · Oct 6, 2019

danielneeds said:
The thing is the way things are now fucking Eriksen off to train with the kids and humiliating him will only lead to more dischord from other senior players who consider him a friend. It’s such a complicated situation in that training ground at the minute.

There's a middle ground of not ostracizing him completely, but dropping him until he ups his level. Don't think the players in the squad could have any gripes about underperforming players not making the matchday squad.

dagraham · Oct 6, 2019

spursfan77 said:
Poch going to Man Utd would be terrible. I’d rather keep him here and I think that’s a bad idea currently.

That’s the problem. As I’ve said it all feels like a lose/lose situation for us. We keep Poch and we continue to drift with most of the squad not playing for him. Or we part ways and there’s a good chance he ends up at Utd and we end up with another “project” manager starting again from where we were when Poch arrived, with half our squad moved on.

Hakkz · Oct 6, 2019

JayB said:
I think it's a bit delusional to suggest that if he were the next United manager, they wouldn't deliver the players he wants. They've got more resources than just about any other club and aren't shy about wielding them. Whether Ed Woodward gets rinsed for 10% more than he ought to pay is immaterial to the question of whether they'd deliver Poch's targets.

The only reason Mourinho wasn't given what he wanted was because he was asking for aging players, and after Alexis they weren't willing to do it anymore. Poch would want young, hungry players which aligns with Woodward's philosophy so I don't think there's any doubt he'd be backed.

Not if you look at what they have done since Fergie left. They all said that OGS was going to get all the transfers he needed etc. Woodward is no better than Levy when it comes to taking risk solely for footballing results and not thinking of the financial aspect.

pablo73 · Oct 6, 2019

wrd said:
It'd have to be a mini one followed by a mega one in the summer. If he could remove Eriksen, Aurier, Wanyama and replace with a RB, DM and one of the two we was linked to in the summer in Fernandes/Dybala then that'd be a start. Then we'd need to have significantly more surgery come summertime.

Like I say, not remotely based on reality

WePlayWednesday · Oct 6, 2019

Bottom line is, the manager has lost the dressing room. That is terminal.

He is tactically inept, and the players know it. In my view it’s no coincidence that it’s the more experienced ones who seem to be in revolt, as they know what good looks like from previous clubs and international games.

Thanks for the memories Poch, but it’s time to go.

srups34 · Oct 6, 2019

The way things are going at Utd now, Pochettino knows he will have them to fall back on should things not improve here. We are in a no win situation. He would have Utd challenging for the title in a few seasons if he takes them over.

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