spursfan77
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I think we will lose to them. Looks like the wheels have completely come off now. Defeats to them and Liverpool will be the end of poor Poch.
Match Threads Brighton & Hove Albion vs Spurs - Match Thread
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I think we will lose to them. Looks like the wheels have completely come off now. Defeats to them and Liverpool will be the end of poor Poch.
Buggsy61
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Without wanting to turn this site upside down has there been anything posted by the ITK’s about what is really going on behind the scenes.
We can all speculate and am sure the press will have their knives out but there must be some reliable info out there somewhere.
We can all speculate and am sure the press will have their knives out but there must be some reliable info out there somewhere.
nedley
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And that's why he'll lose his job. But this is a perfect storm with many contributing to the chaos.
I'll forgive Poch.
With Levy I'm fucking angry. This was coming.
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There’s bound to be a core of players up for the fight, the others are just dropped.
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Onion and garlic dip FTW!
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Some of these players are in for a rude awakening because for most of their careers it’ll be downhill from here.
Thats it they owe alot to this man.
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Can you clarify please?
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slartibartfast
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Sad but true. Once a manager loses the players thats it. Theres no getting them back, ever. Especially these days with them being pampered millionaires.
Was funny watching it happen to Chelsea and Man U. Not enjoying this though.
Professionals my arse. All mercs. All of them.
spursfan77
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Nothing from JJ
It’s such a difficult situation this, and a typical Spursy one in that it’s all of our own making.
We could seriously get relegated this year based on the garbage that team churned out today - and has done for months - but it feels like that’s down to the club shafting Poch more than just Poch himself becoming a rubbish coach over the past 12mths.
Sure Poch’s ego looked like it was peaking at maximum wankage around about May, June time, with him arrogantly suggesting he may leave if he won us the champions league ... but just 4 months later, today, he looked so devoid of answers against an admittedly very good Brighton side that his masterstroke after half time was to bring Winks on.
But the fact that he felt Winks was his only option - and the fact that Sissoko was playing right back - is not all Poch’s fault, it’s also very much down to the club and a lack of investment for the past three seasons - and that includes the last window where we needed to bring In more, better, players in the right positions to cover the ones we knew wanted to leave.
Poch looks like he’s lost his passion for the club. And it looks like the players see this and they’ve lost it too.
They know he knows he doesn’t have the players to rebuild, they know Eriksen and Toby are off and they know the club won’t replace them in Jan.
Suddenly we’re like a sinking ship and the rats want to desert it - except the captain doesn’t look like he wants to stay and go down with it either.
We saw it today, probably the worst, most disillusioned performance that team has ever played. No heart, no commitment, no ideas going forward, no tactical answers to stop Brighton playing and generate a turnaround - and crucially it’s almost the same squad that was destroying better teams 3 years ago, except for a few additions, Sissoko was right back instead of, um, proper right back Trippier (who Levy sold for £20mil!!) and we had no Rose, even on the bench today.
The club/Levy promised Poch the players to help him take the club onto the next phase of ‘the project’ if he re-signed last May - but haven’t delivered on that promise. You could see it etched on his face during every press conference in preseason when he threw his “change my title” hissyfit that the transfer window wasn’t going the way he was led to believe it would.
As a result it looks like he’s lost his impetus and passion ... and it is the club’s fault. They’ve literally imploded all the great work they themselves initiated when they brought Poch in 5 years ago by not backing him.
Now he’s been left in an unenviable position;
1. Play a stale, disillusioned squad of first team players who see some of their senior team-mates holding the club to ransom - and winning - over contracts because ultimately they don’t believe they will win anything at Spurs and they know they can earn a shed load more after a free transfer. Time to “try something new” having not won a bean for over 5 years.
2. Drop the contract rebels from the team and only play those who are on board with the project - the problem being that what’s left is actually not good enough to get top-6 let alone top-4. Sanchez? KWP? Davies? Winks? Alli (who’s been rubbish for two seasons now).
(As an aside, how long do we think Kane is going to put up with a team without the players to supply him with chances to score the 25 goals a season he badly craves?)
3. Be ‘brave’ and start playing the youngsters more because they’re the future ‘project’ - but the problem there is that they’re not actually good enough to get top-10 let alone top-6.
(And before anyone starts with “but Poch is great at bringing though young players”, he’s not. Who has he brought through? Winks ... who passes sideways and backwards and provides zero assists or goals. Who else? Sherwood brought Kane in - and Kane’s self-administered extra training has been his game changer).
Poch isn’t stupid, he knows full well that all three of the above options could well mean we find ourselves in a relegation battle based on willingness-for-the-cause, form and talent/ability.
He can also see his status as a revered coach who can name his price to the likes of Man U and Real Madrid fading pretty bloody fast.
But should he go? Probably. For his own sanity at least. But Poch will want the £30m+ payoff so won’t walk - and Levy won’t pay the £30m+ payoff, so he’ll likely keep Poch until he walks. That’s effectively a stalemate. Until we find we’re in a relegation battle and then Levy will surely have to sack him.
Either way, things certainly look like they could get much messier from here and unless Levy presents the squad with a New Years miracle of 4 new premier league-ready world class defenders and another creative midfielder to replace Eriksen (Lo Celso will need a year to bed in) it’s not looking good for us this season.
And it’s all our own doing.
We could seriously get relegated this year based on the garbage that team churned out today - and has done for months - but it feels like that’s down to the club shafting Poch more than just Poch himself becoming a rubbish coach over the past 12mths.
Sure Poch’s ego looked like it was peaking at maximum wankage around about May, June time, with him arrogantly suggesting he may leave if he won us the champions league ... but just 4 months later, today, he looked so devoid of answers against an admittedly very good Brighton side that his masterstroke after half time was to bring Winks on.
But the fact that he felt Winks was his only option - and the fact that Sissoko was playing right back - is not all Poch’s fault, it’s also very much down to the club and a lack of investment for the past three seasons - and that includes the last window where we needed to bring In more, better, players in the right positions to cover the ones we knew wanted to leave.
Poch looks like he’s lost his passion for the club. And it looks like the players see this and they’ve lost it too.
They know he knows he doesn’t have the players to rebuild, they know Eriksen and Toby are off and they know the club won’t replace them in Jan.
Suddenly we’re like a sinking ship and the rats want to desert it - except the captain doesn’t look like he wants to stay and go down with it either.
We saw it today, probably the worst, most disillusioned performance that team has ever played. No heart, no commitment, no ideas going forward, no tactical answers to stop Brighton playing and generate a turnaround - and crucially it’s almost the same squad that was destroying better teams 3 years ago, except for a few additions, Sissoko was right back instead of, um, proper right back Trippier (who Levy sold for £20mil!!) and we had no Rose, even on the bench today.
The club/Levy promised Poch the players to help him take the club onto the next phase of ‘the project’ if he re-signed last May - but haven’t delivered on that promise. You could see it etched on his face during every press conference in preseason when he threw his “change my title” hissyfit that the transfer window wasn’t going the way he was led to believe it would.
As a result it looks like he’s lost his impetus and passion ... and it is the club’s fault. They’ve literally imploded all the great work they themselves initiated when they brought Poch in 5 years ago by not backing him.
Now he’s been left in an unenviable position;
1. Play a stale, disillusioned squad of first team players who see some of their senior team-mates holding the club to ransom - and winning - over contracts because ultimately they don’t believe they will win anything at Spurs and they know they can earn a shed load more after a free transfer. Time to “try something new” having not won a bean for over 5 years.
2. Drop the contract rebels from the team and only play those who are on board with the project - the problem being that what’s left is actually not good enough to get top-6 let alone top-4. Sanchez? KWP? Davies? Winks? Alli (who’s been rubbish for two seasons now).
(As an aside, how long do we think Kane is going to put up with a team without the players to supply him with chances to score the 25 goals a season he badly craves?)
3. Be ‘brave’ and start playing the youngsters more because they’re the future ‘project’ - but the problem there is that they’re not actually good enough to get top-10 let alone top-6.
(And before anyone starts with “but Poch is great at bringing though young players”, he’s not. Who has he brought through? Winks ... who passes sideways and backwards and provides zero assists or goals. Who else? Sherwood brought Kane in - and Kane’s self-administered extra training has been his game changer).
Poch isn’t stupid, he knows full well that all three of the above options could well mean we find ourselves in a relegation battle based on willingness-for-the-cause, form and talent/ability.
He can also see his status as a revered coach who can name his price to the likes of Man U and Real Madrid fading pretty bloody fast.
But should he go? Probably. For his own sanity at least. But Poch will want the £30m+ payoff so won’t walk - and Levy won’t pay the £30m+ payoff, so he’ll likely keep Poch until he walks. That’s effectively a stalemate. Until we find we’re in a relegation battle and then Levy will surely have to sack him.
Either way, things certainly look like they could get much messier from here and unless Levy presents the squad with a New Years miracle of 4 new premier league-ready world class defenders and another creative midfielder to replace Eriksen (Lo Celso will need a year to bed in) it’s not looking good for us this season.
And it’s all our own doing.
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Stop rating it optimistic ffs it’s a joke?
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