joelstinton14
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Don't think I could take that. A) because of the club, but b) wasn't it them who finished off AVB with a 5-0 drubbing?
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Don't think I could take that. A) because of the club, but b) wasn't it them who finished off AVB with a 5-0 drubbing?
WalkerboyUK
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When players, such as Sissoko, are calling out the diamond tactic in the media, then it’s a big problem and just confirms dressing room unrest.
Poch won’t bin the tactic, he will just rotate the players who play in it.
Poch won’t bin the tactic, he will just rotate the players who play in it.
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Don't forget that anything Poch might have done wrong, is because we have a bunch of players who mysteriously do not want to be here. All their fault, when they're gone all will be rosy.
TorontoYid
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The tactic requires a high level of fitness so maybe he should focus on his fitness levels instead of whining about it. That's why they get paid a fortune.
Shadydan
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They're not machines mate - Sissoko is arguably the fittest players at the club.
TorontoYid
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I lose sympathy for him when I see the 80 grand a week he gets paid
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nailsy
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I thought it was up to the manager and his staff to make sure that the players were fit enough?
Joshua shepherd
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Sorry shorthand, I’d never get anything done if I had to explain why I disagreed with something in this forum.
2 reasons I disagreed, firstly I can’t recall a team playing the diamond for a number of years, not consistently with success anyway.
And secondly clearly the diamond isn’t just about skill, it’s about physical demands, winks Eriksen etc don’t have the physical prowess to implement it successfully hence why we concede far too many goals.
rossdapep
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The most boring of arguments debated with football fans.
What has money got to do with this?
MichaelPawson
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As Steve Austin and the Office of Scientific Information proved, once you throw enough money at someone, their physical limitations become a thing of the past. OSI estimated the cost at $6 million, but I don't know what that converts to in your currency.
spursfan77
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That’s why I think it will happen then.
TorontoYid
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Fair enough. Perhaps the formation is dead in terms of use but I would expect professionals getting paid a fortune to be fit enough to handle it but I guess a few are getting on a bit in age
TorontoYid
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Pay me that much and I will run till I collapse without complaint.
Matrix
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Getting 100-100k can’t improve on genetics man.
Bodies have a brick wall no matter how much you get paid.
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I don't think there is much wrong with Sissoko's fitness levels.
WalkerboyUK
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The players ran through walls for Poch in his first two seasons, and that was when we used the press. We didn’t press in a diamond formation though.
Now we play narrow and the likes of Sissoko and Winks are expected to press wide and narrow. Doesn’t work...
Now we play narrow and the likes of Sissoko and Winks are expected to press wide and narrow. Doesn’t work...
We've always played narrow.
4-4-2 Diamond is a standard formation in Italy. Lyon played it last season, so Ndombele knows how to play within it. It normally requires a lot from fullbacks (like wingbacks in 3-5-2), but not from midfielders - they don't need to cover that much space because they're close to almost anybody on the pitch.
It's a formation for controlling the centre and being unpredictable on the wings.
So... what's about our diamond that it requires so much from our midfielders? That they openly say they don't have the fitness to play it?
Either the implementation is wrong, or our fitness levels are just bad.
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Watching us last night and of late, that has been my overwhelming impression for some time - that something is badly wrong with our conditioning. The entire team came to a standstill after 30 minutes, and stamina seems to be a real issue, like we just don't have the legs to compete. It has been that way since the beginning of last season, but that I put down to the World Cup etc, but to have it apparently even worse this season is extremely concerning.
I know they like to hold back their peak fitness so it builds up during the season, but it looks like they've got the timing of it badly wrong. Like a boxer who times his camp wrong and is undercooked come the fight. Because it's not one player, it's basically everyone. And I appreciably what MS is saying about the diamond system, but this has happened with many different formations.
The reason we don't press any more to me is simply because the players don't have that kind of energy in their legs.
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