Match Threads Spurs vs Southampton - Match Thread

taidgh · Sep 29, 2019

Dannyspur said:
Yes, but if it is a throw-in, all of the following hour would have been different - maybe Aurier does something else stupid, maybe not. Lloris may have made a mistake, maybe not, we may have won comfortably, maybe we could have lost.

What makes everyone think it should've been a throw? Looked close but have no way of knowing. Lino was perfectly positioned, looking right up the line and said no. There's no reason to doubt him. Doesn't even matter. Aurier completely brainless there. We're lucky it didn't cost us more.

Lenn0n · Sep 29, 2019

C0YS said:
He has come back more mature. He doesn't seem to care anymore about showing off how skillful or creative he is. He seems to just to be happy to be playing and working for a team. He has always had that grit, but now he just seems to clearer understanding of the player he is, and that's not some super silky AM. But a tenacious team player. Credit to him.

Agreed. Still has the grit and willingness to get stuck in. He has reduced the number of rash tackles. He's definitely better playing for the team (rather than his own glory i.e. less dribbling). And when the ball is moving swiftly his passes can be sublime. I like the way in recent matches he has got on the end of things at the back post. I note that Harry Kane especially appreciates his efforts,

SpursD22 · Sep 29, 2019

StevePil said:
Just home.... no it didn't take that long to get home, but had to make a detour on way home.. wow what a game today, the ref was bent.... awful - he made the performance from Riley at Burnley last season look brilliant, he was so poor.
The red card for Aurier (what an idiot by the way) the ball was out well i havent seen a replay but from where we was the ball looked out but the players stopped
The lads really did put effort in to see the game out, both harrys were superb, ndombele brilliant too, Sissoko was great at RB and Coco when he came on was great.
Son was poor, as for Eriksen - less said the better, he clearly doesnt want to be here and its showing in his performances, he was awful.

The biggest thing though was the atmosphere, we didnt stop singing in the south stand, really trying to lift the players to the 95th minute we sang and sang, i hope the atmosphere came over for those watching at home, i have pretty much lost my voice - best astmopshere i have seen at spurs for a long time.

This result was huge, we were all saying it as we left the ground, defeat toay would have hurt badly but the passion shown and holding on was immense and we really felt like this could be the result that turns our season - we celebrated at the end like we have won something but clearly we havent yet but dont mock this result, it was huge as southampton played well yet we held on with 10 for over an hour playing against a ref who was just terrible

Sorry but that’s bs. Look at Eriksen celebration when Kane scored, he does care can people stop saying he don’t care

worcestersauce · Sep 29, 2019

fortworthspur said:
even if the lino botched the call Aurier still fouled the guy.

Not from where I was standing and even if there was any contact it didn't make Bertrand jump up in the air and hit the deck like he did, he cheated and he did it to get Aurier sent off and the referee fell for it, he was poor and so were his assistants. The linesman who didn't give that throw never gave a decision all game without looking at the referee first, dreadful.

worcestersauce · Sep 29, 2019

Just seen MotD and I think Harry Winks needs to look to himself at the throw in that wasn't, he stood with his arm in the air while they played round him and it led to Aurier's sending off. Hopefully he'll learn from that and put it in his experience bin.

SlotBadger · Sep 29, 2019

tooey said:
Call me batshit crazy but I think a 2-1 win with a player sent off is better for the group than a 4-0 romping. Hopefully this is the catalyst to getting back on track mentally.

You are batshit crazy! Nobody else would think such a thing...

Bobbins said:
In a perverse way that was exactly what we needed. Probably of more benefit to the club than an easy 4-0 win.

shelfboy68 · Sep 29, 2019

As many have said a much needed win aurier as so often a liability but the team dug in and gained the result, would be nice to follow up with our first away win for ages at Brighton next week.

SugarRay · Sep 29, 2019

I think Eriksen sort of tried to prove a point yesterday. Can’t complain with the effort he put in. He’s always bottled challenges so nothing new there.

He was good in the build up to our second but he’s still not fully at the races of course.

Son was quite poor. Needs to get his groove back, poor choice after poor choice.

davidmatzdorf · Sep 29, 2019

There must be at least 20 posts indicating that the second yellow card should not have been issued because the ball was out of play when the foul took place. My angle from east upper made it impossible for me to see that bit of the touchline, but that isn’t my point.

What do the laws say about this? I’ve seen many incidents over the years when a player has been sent off for (say) head butting an opponent when the ball was out of play. If a player were to make a leg-breaking, sliding challenge when the ball was heading out of play, surely he should be sent off.

And there are plenty of examples of cards being issued retroactively, after the referee had played an advantage.

I have always assumed that the laws did not prevent referees from issuing cards for events that occurred when the ball was dead. How is this different?

fecka · Sep 29, 2019

To all of you blaming the ref for Auriers second yellow: throw-in or not, no one forced Aurier to make the foul. Not to mention that the first booking was incredibly stupid and clumsy. He's a walking brain fart and has proven it time and time again.

The sad part is that he is our best RB right now. Even though I wasn't a fan of tripps I'm still confused as to why he was the one to be forced out and not Aurier

CookieYiddo · Sep 29, 2019

Much needed three points. The passion and heart seemed a little more prevalent, good to see.

Roll on Tuesday
COYS

Gareth88 · Sep 29, 2019

davidmatzdorf said:
There must be at least 20 posts indicating that the second yellow card should not have been issued because the ball was out of play when the foul took place. My angle from east upper made it impossible for me to see that bit of the touchline, but that isn’t my point.

What do the laws say about this? I’ve seen many incidents over the years when a player has been sent off for (say) head butting an opponent when the ball was out of play. If a player were to make a leg-breaking, sliding challenge when the ball was heading out of play, surely he should be sent off.

And there are plenty of examples of cards being issued retroactively, after the referee had played an advantage.

I have always assumed that the laws did not prevent referees from issuing cards for events that occurred when the ball was dead. How is this different?

You speak too much sense at times ??

Dannyspur · Sep 29, 2019

taidgh said:
What makes everyone think it should've been a throw? Looked close but have no way of knowing. Lino was perfectly positioned, looking right up the line and said no. There's no reason to doubt him. Doesn't even matter. Aurier completely brainless there. We're lucky it didn't cost us more.

It looked out from where I was sitting (although I was quite a way away) But everyone around me agreed. I think the telling thing was Winks' reaction. He was raging that it wasn't given as a throw.

I agree that Aurier was a twat though!

slartibartfast · Sep 29, 2019

He did see the goal they got yeah? Fkin havin a laugh isnt he.

jezz · Sep 29, 2019

davidmatzdorf said:
There must be at least 20 posts indicating that the second yellow card should not have been issued because the ball was out of play when the foul took place. My angle from east upper made it impossible for me to see that bit of the touchline, but that isn’t my point.

What do the laws say about this? I’ve seen many incidents over the years when a player has been sent off for (say) head butting an opponent when the ball was out of play. If a player were to make a leg-breaking, sliding challenge when the ball was heading out of play, surely he should be sent off.

And there are plenty of examples of cards being issued retroactively, after the referee had played an advantage.

I have always assumed that the laws did not prevent referees from issuing cards for events that occurred when the ball was dead. How is this different?

Head butting and leg breakers are violent conduct.
Aurier was a foul.
We see players constantly pulling each other when the ball is not in play (trying to retrieve the ball to take free kicks as one example )
So if the ball wasn't legitimately in play Aurier could be judged as doing the same thing and not a bookable offence.

John48 · Sep 29, 2019

Eriksen runs around a lot, but bottles situation where he could win the ball back & it's what he does with it that concerns me. Yes he moved it on for Kane's goal, although not very well in my opinion & Kane had to make something out of it, but I look at De Bruyne & the amount of quality ball he puts about & feel that Eriksen should be every bit as good for us & I don't think he is.

davidmatzdorf · Sep 29, 2019

jezz said:
Head butting and leg breakers are violent conduct.
Aurier was a foul.
We see players constantly pulling each other when the ball is not in play (trying to retrieve the ball to take free kicks as one example )
So if the ball wasn't legitimately in play Aurier could be judged as doing the same thing and not a bookable offence.

That's a bit sideways to my question.

It doesn't really matter for my purposes whether the referee should have issued a card for that challenge. It's the same foul, irrespective of whether the ball was in play or out. You're suggesting that refs let things go when the ball is dead that they would penalise when the the ball is in play. That may be true, but it's a matter of judgment and personal style for each referee.

A lot of people here have argued that the referee should not be entitled to issue a yellow card when the ball is dead. I don't think that's what the laws say and I cited several examples.

jezz · Sep 29, 2019

davidmatzdorf said:
That's a bit sideways to my question.

It doesn't really matter for my purposes whether the referee should have issued a card for that challenge. It's the same foul, irrespective of whether the ball was in play or out. You're suggesting that refs let things go when the ball is dead that they would penalise when the the ball is in play. That may be true, but it's a matter of judgment and personal style for each referee.

A lot of people here have argued that the referee should not be entitled to issue a yellow card when the ball is dead. I don't think that's what the laws say and I cited several examples.

The ref can book anyone at any time during and after the game.
He could if wanted have booked Bertrand for time wasting if var had said the ball was not in play.
Do you think he would booked Bertrand?

Dougal · Sep 29, 2019

jezz said:
The ref can book anyone at any time during and after the game.
He could if wanted have booked Bertrand for time wasting if var had said the ball was not in play.
Do you think he would booked Bertrand?

Bertrand would have to play to the whistle, not to VAR.

spursfan77 · Sep 29, 2019

I thought the officials heavily favoured them yesterday. Although he probably got the send off right. Do we know if the ball went out before the second yellow though. Any pics anywhere?

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