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13VanDerBale13

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Translates to: After practice the players of Argentina, signed autographs & pictures were taken with the fans (y)
 
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spursfan77

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Man U got more injuries than us last year but I haven't seen anyone blaming Mourinho or Ole for it. Injuries happen mate, it's a part of the game and a huge reason why these days a 25 man squad is required.

Or have some players just got softer?

I don’t think any player is always 100% fit.
 

coys200

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Don’t think there’s much in his injury. He took another heavy tackle about 5 minutes before he went off. But was still moving around ok and did a full sprint about 10 seconds before he went off. He did walk off a bit awkwardly but no sign of a groin injury just looked like he’d taken a few heavy knocks. Might miss palace at worse imo.
 

buckley

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A lot of the people on this site remind me of the sky / BT / MOD /pundits in that they know the reason every goal could be stopped and every way and reason a team could play better . these pundits have practically one of two things in common in that they are either failed managers sometimes many times over or they did not have the balls to go into management .
To paraphrase a saying " those that can do and those that can't go into punditry ".
 

Lilbaz

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A lot of the people on this site remind me of the sky / BT / MOD /pundits in that they know the reason every goal could be stopped and every way and reason a team could play better . these pundits have practically one of two things in common in that they are either failed managers sometimes many times over or they did not have the balls to go into management .
To paraphrase a saying " those that can do and those that can't go into punditry ".

You can't really call souness a failed football manager. Certainly not mourinho.
 

wrd

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A lot of the people on this site remind me of the sky / BT / MOD /pundits in that they know the reason every goal could be stopped and every way and reason a team could play better . these pundits have practically one of two things in common in that they are either failed managers sometimes many times over or they did not have the balls to go into management .
To paraphrase a saying " those that can do and those that can't go into punditry ".

Yeah I fucking hate when analysts use their "knowledge" to give us insight into how a situation could have been prevented.
 

buckley

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I am not aiming at Mourinho or Souness but in general the Experts are failed ex managers or have not managed at all .
As for Mourhino he absolutely clobbered Jamie Redknapp and Souness the other day on the Arsenal v Spurs after match Analysis .
If you want to take on board the likes of Merson /Wright / Linekar / Shearer / for example and call it knowledge well all I can say is that their views are of the same value as my own and to suggest that an ex players "knowledge ' is worth any more than the normal football goer then I have to disagree as most of them are tied to loyalties to teams they used to play for and also they have dislikes for teams that are their ex teams main rivals . there are many like Danny Mills for example who says things that are his perception and not fact as it is too much bother to actually check up the real facts . Just one example last season he said " spurs would not do any good as they draw too many games"
When at the time we had gone something like 21games without a draw and this is just an example of what I mean they speak their views which are actually their perception not based on fact or reality .If you want to hang on to these nompties words and be my guest but please don't suggest that their Knowledge is of worth as its not . All I would like is the likes of Mourinho telling me his views and I can respect them.
 

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Surely there comes a point when you have to question the training methods? Are they training TOO hard and it's why they get knackered quickly in matches? Always injured. It's not just some, it's pretty much the whole team last year spent time out with injuries.

This was due to no summer break/World Cup wasn’t it?? I thought that had been accepted as the cause of our burnout and injury record last season...?

Unless of course you are just trying to rearrange that into a ‘Poch is training them too hard’ excuse to be able to complain about...
 

yiddopaul

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This was due to no summer break/World Cup wasn’t it?? I thought that had been accepted as the cause of our burnout and injury record last season...?

Unless of course you are just trying to rearrange that into a ‘Poch is training them too hard’ excuse to be able to complain about...
But it wasn't just last year though was it. This is a problem we've had for a few years now. Other big teams also play many games and internationals. Is Poch training them too hard? Possibly. You're implying that's not the case or that it's a narrative. How do you know that he isn't training them too hard?? He may not be. We may just be the unluckiest team in the world. But something seems to be amiss with our fitness.
 

Shadydan

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But it wasn't just last year though was it. This is a problem we've had for a few years now. Other big teams also play many games and internationals. Is Poch training them too hard? Possibly. You're implying that's not the case or that it's a narrative. How do you know that he isn't training them too hard?? He may not be. We may just be the unluckiest team in the world. But something seems to be amiss with our fitness.

Other big teams get injuries as well, not just us.

Last season aside which was a complete anomaly we've probably been about par on the injury front with everyone else.
 

yiddopaul

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Other big teams get injuries as well, not just us.

Last season aside which was a complete anomaly we've probably been about par on the injury front with everyone else.
Liverpool and City hardly ever get injuries to key players. Maybe one at a time, maybe. This has been a problem for many years. I know the other big teams get injuries, that's sport. But more often than not, they are to fringe players, not an entire first team. Our players have looked knackered, not just last year, but for about 2-3 years now, minus the odd game (or one half of a game!). We used to be the fittest team in the Prem, maybe there's a price to pay for methods used... By the way, I don't know the methods! Just from what we hear from players of how tough it is.
 

Shadydan

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Liverpool and City hardly ever get injuries to key players. Maybe one at a time, maybe. This has been a problem for many years. I know the other big teams get injuries, that's sport. But more often than not, they are to fringe players, not an entire first team. Our players have looked knackered, not just last year, but for about 2-3 years now, minus the odd game (or one half of a game!). We used to be the fittest team in the Prem, maybe there's a price to pay for methods used... By the way, I don't know the methods! Just from what we hear from players of how tough it is.

I think this needs a bit of context, not counting last season as we know that many of our first teamers didn't have pre season and that was always going to come back to bite us in the arse so you can't blame Poch for that. Season before that u we suffered the least amount of injuries in the top 6 with players missing 737 days through injury - for reference Utd had 1154 days missed:

Season before that can't be asked to check back but we were hit by the Alderweireld which was a groin strain and Rose was injured on the pitch at Sunderland which was a freak, Kane suffered those two injuries to his ankle...again no fault on the training methods.

Worth reading this by the way, it details the rate of injuries we've had since 2012 to 2018 so it analyses Poch's fist 4 seasons and the rate and severity of injuries have decreased - it had us 8th in terms of total injuries.


Also I don't agree that we've look knackered in the last few seasons, definitely not 2016/17 or 2017/18. Those two seasons we've generally got fitter and better as the season's progressed which is a feature of Poch's teams and training methods, again I'm totally ignoring last season because of the circumstances but I don't think we suffer more than anyone else.
 
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