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a tap in and two penalties. A bit like when he won the golden boot at the WC yet was totally underwhelming.
Penalties should NOT count towards a player's goal stats. Its absurd.
Similar to byes and leg byes in cricket only the score changes - the batter doesn't get credited, just the team. I propose the same for penalties. Most of the time the penalty has been won by someone else and that's the hard part!
I feel like pens are inflating his stats - saying X goals in so many games just proves my point. Sonny, Moura... they all have to prove themselves without.
Regarding Kane in particular I'm frustrated that he's been playing bang so average for such a long time now and has become an incredibly dull player to watch too. Nevermind, hatrick hero today I guess. Depressing that I'd be more excited if Kane gets subbed for Mount at the Euros, forgetting of course that Kane can only get subbed off in friendlies, or games that have already been won!
The penalties not counting thing is obviously a bit much, but I can see where he's coming from. A ton of penalties can certainly pad out a player's goal stats: Pepe's 22 goals last season sounds very impressive, but the fact that 9 of those were penalties takes the gloss off it a bit, while Pukki's goal tally of 29 goals in the Championship last season is far more impressive when you take into account that didn't take a single spot kick. And yes, the player still has to score the penalty, but on average they are scored around 80% of the time, and they're taken in a controlled situation that isn't really representative of any other aspect of football, except maybe free kicks which are obviously far more difficult.
I think it would be useful to have a little bracketed figure after the player's goal tally so we have an idea of how many of a player's goals were penalties like this: Pepe - 22 (9). No need to take the goal away completely though.
I totally see where you're coming from and I'm not devaluing any goal scored from a penalty, nor the skill involved in taking one. I just feel that due to the dynamic nature of football, a penalty is literally the only controlled situation where a player has a 4/5 chance of scoring and is therefore unique and separate from other types of goals. Why not also recognise that in the stats? People can take it or leave it and the player still gets credited with the goal, but personally I'd like to know if, say, 70% of a striker's goals were penalties.But a goal is a goal regardless of how it's scored. A penalties value in a game is worth the same as one scored from 50 yards. I don't understand how that solves anything. The best penalty taker in the world is a huge quality that gets undervalued for me. Goals from all angles, all legal body parts count so why shouldn't a penalty?
Are other strikers who have amazing records questioned because of their penalties? Aguero takes them for Man City doesn't he? I don't hear anyone mention his record minus penalties even though Kane has a better games to goals ratio than him at present.
A penalty scored winning a final still wins the final. Do we put in brackets trophies won based on penalties scored as well? Where does it stop once it's started? 3 points are 3 points at the end of the day, final wins are final wins and goals are goals. That's the fabric and makeup of the game.
a tap in and two penalties. A bit like when he won the golden boot at the WC yet was totally underwhelming.
Penalties should NOT count towards a player's goal stats. Its absurd.
I totally see where you're coming from and I'm not devaluing any goal scored from a penalty, nor the skill involved in taking one. I just feel that due to the dynamic nature of football, a penalty is literally the only controlled situation where a player has a 4/5 chance of scoring and is therefore unique and separate from other types of goals. Why not also recognise that in the stats? People can take it or leave it and the player still gets credited with the goal, but personally I'd like to know if, say, 70% of a striker's goals were penalties.
Would you honestly not judge a player more negatively if you found out all 15 of their league goals were penalties in comparison to a player who had scored all 15 goals from open play?
If you are going to compare strikers on goal stats, which is after all the purpose of statistics, it's absolute bullshit if there's no distinction between real goals and penalties
Completely agree with everything you say about Kane. Taking a penalty is a skill and takes some serious bottle, no denying that. But at the same time, do you not think what I said in my earlier post comparing Pepe and Pukki is true? When Pepe signed for Arsenal plenty of people on here were using his high number of penalties as a stick to beat him with, and the same goes for Kane at the World Cup. That collective reaction exists for a reason.Both players goals count the same. The only difference is that the player taking the 15 penalties is under a more immense amount of pressure than the player scoring from open play, in my opinion. A player is expected to score a penalty thus adding to the pressure.
Imagine if Kane was missing the penalties. He'd be getting pelted from all angles and accused of being a bottler. He absolutely belts them in every time. He's an elite penalty taker, maybe the best in the world at it. Takes balls to do what he does.
Remember he missed v Liverpool at the Kop end, and then 10 minutes later stood up again at the same end and scored his 100th PL goal? Poch said: big big balls. He wasn't lying.
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Completely agree with everything you say about Kane. Taking a penalty is a skill and takes some serious bottle, no denying that. But at the same time, do you not think what I said in my earlier post comparing Pepe and Pukki is true? When Pepe signed for Arsenal plenty of people on here were using his high number of penalties as a stick to beat him with, and the same goes for Kane at the World Cup. That collective reaction exists for a reason.
We expect players to score penalties as the odds are in their favour. It's naturally easier to find a good penalty taker than it is to find a reliable scorer from open play - Kane is exceptionally good, but there are bound to be a few very decent penalty takers in every League 2 team who would comfortably put away 80-90% of their spot kicks if they were in the Premier League. Could they do what Kane does in open play? Not a chance.
Anyway, my main argument is simply that we should reflect the unique nature of penalties by including them in goalscoring statistics.
Ahhh, there's nearly always at least one voice of reason on here... but seriously, thanks for putting the case a lot better than I did.
I go further by saying I simply do not think you should be winning golden boots with penalties, getting hatricks on penalties... etc. One player is single benefactor of all fouls on any player in the box, and they are easy! So easy in fact that I believe I could score against the best keepers in the world - say 50% of the time, and I sit behind a computer for a life! (OK that figure may be off but i'm still confident!)
Ahhh, there's nearly always at least one voice of reason on here... but seriously, thanks for putting the case a lot better than I did.
I go further by saying I simply do not think you should be winning golden boots with penalties, getting hatricks on penalties... etc. One player is single benefactor of all fouls on any player in the box, and they are easy! So easy in fact that I believe I could score against the best keepers in the world - say 50% of the time, and I sit behind a computer for a life! (OK that figure may be off but i'm still confident!)