Teemu
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ToDarrenIsToDo
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Penalties shouldn't count? That has to be the most absurd thing I have ever read when it comes to football. Please tell me that this is some kind of joke and that I've completely misread it and now look completely foolish. Please tell me so!!!
ToDarrenIsToDo
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I've just read on and realised you weren't joking. Oh my!!!
Here's one for you, Kane is through on goal, has skinned four players and as he's about to roll in the greatest goal ever scored he gets hacked down.
Stands up, takes the penalty and it doesn't count even though he was impeded illegally for a beautifully crafted goal. Is that fair in your world mate? Come on have a word! The aim of the game is getting the ball in the net, goals win games!
Would winning a World Cup with a last minute penalty not count? Why should it not count for the player scoring that goal? You really should have Thought longer and harder about this one.
If penalties are such a piece of piss, can you explain the whole Pogba/Rashford debate from a couple of weeks ago that flared up? He is one of the best all round, well rounded strikers in the world and that consists of penalty taking evennif you can't comprehend that they are awarded due to an illegal obstruction for a clear goal scoring opportunity. His last penalty, he got hacked down when pulling the trigger. Should he have that goal scratched off because he was illegally challenged? You make absolutely no sense
Timberwolf
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The penalties not counting thing is obviously a bit much, but I can see where he's coming from. A ton of penalties can certainly pad out a player's goal stats: Pepe's 22 goals last season sounds very impressive, but the fact that 9 of those were penalties takes the gloss off it a bit, while Pukki's goal tally of 29 goals in the Championship last season is far more impressive when you take into account that didn't take a single spot kick. And yes, the player still has to score the penalty, but on average they are scored around 80% of the time, and they're taken in a controlled situation that isn't really representative of any other aspect of football, except maybe free kicks which are obviously far more difficult.
I think it would be useful to have a little bracketed figure after the player's goal tally so we know how many of their goals were penalties like this: Pepe - 22 (9). No need to take the goal away completely though.
I think it would be useful to have a little bracketed figure after the player's goal tally so we know how many of their goals were penalties like this: Pepe - 22 (9). No need to take the goal away completely though.
ToDarrenIsToDo
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But a goal is a goal regardless of how it's scored. A penalties value in a game is worth the same as one scored from 50 yards. I don't understand how that solves anything. The best penalty taker in the world is a huge quality that gets undervalued for me. Goals from all angles, all legal body parts count so why shouldn't a penalty?
Are other strikers who have amazing records questioned because of their penalties? Aguero takes them for Man City doesn't he? I don't hear anyone mention his record minus penalties even though Kane has a better games to goals ratio than him at present.
A penalty scored winning a final still wins the final. Do we put in brackets trophies won based on penalties scored as well? Where does it stop once it's started? 3 points are 3 points at the end of the day, final wins are final wins and goals are goals. That's the fabric and makeup of the game. If they were that easy to score you'd never have a penalty shoutout end yet most do after the 5 penalty limit before sudden death. Taking penalties isn't anywhere near as easy as people make out and the scorer of one should get penalised because he was taking a penalty due to a punishment for a team illegally impeding their opposition. It doesn't need make sense to me
Timberwolf
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I totally see where you're coming from and I'm not devaluing any goal scored from a penalty, nor the skill involved in taking one. I just feel that due to the dynamic nature of football, a penalty is literally the only controlled situation where a player has a 4/5 chance of scoring and is therefore unique and separate from other types of goals. Why not also recognise that in the stats? People can take it or leave it and the player still gets credited with the goal, but personally I'd like to know if, say, 70% of a striker's goals were penalties.
Would you honestly not judge a player more negatively if you found out all 15 of their league goals were penalties in comparison to a player who had scored all 15 goals from open play?
spurs mental
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I bet you're a laugh at parties
spurs mental
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Both players goals count the same. The only difference is that the player taking the 15 penalties is under a more immense amount of pressure than the player scoring from open play, in my opinion. A player is expected to score a penalty thus adding to the pressure.
Imagine if Kane was missing the penalties. He'd be getting pelted from all angles and accused of being a bottler. He absolutely belts them in every time. He's an elite penalty taker, maybe the best in the world at it. Takes balls to do what he does.
Remember he missed v Liverpool at the Kop end, and then 10 minutes later stood up again at the same end and scored his 100th PL goal? Poch said: big big balls. He wasn't lying.
spurs mental
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I'm not a penalty! I'm a real goal!
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Completely agree with everything you say about Kane. Taking a penalty is a skill and takes some serious bottle, no denying that. But at the same time, do you not think what I said in my earlier post comparing Pepe and Pukki is true? When Pepe signed for Arsenal plenty of people on here were using his high number of penalties as a stick to beat him with, and the same goes for Kane at the World Cup. That collective reaction exists for a reason.
We expect players to score penalties as the odds are in their favour. It's naturally easier to find a good penalty taker than it is to find a reliable scorer from open play - Kane is exceptionally good, but there are bound to be a few very decent penalty takers in every League 2 team who would comfortably put away 80-90% of their spot kicks if they were in the Premier League. Could they do what Kane does in open play? Not a chance.
Anyway, my main argument is simply that we should reflect the unique nature of penalties by including them in goalscoring statistics.
mil1lion
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Must be someone on hereThat’s the best spelling of congratulations I’ve ever seen
markdadude
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Ahhh, there's nearly always at least one voice of reason on here... but seriously, thanks for putting the case a lot better than I did.
I go further by saying I simply do not think you should be winning golden boots with penalties, getting hatricks on penalties... etc. One player is single benefactor of all fouls on any player in the box, and they are easy! So easy in fact that I believe I could score against the best keepers in the world - say 50% of the time, and I sit behind a computer for a life! (OK that figure may be off but i'm still confident!)
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You ask any player in the world if penalties should count then you will get the same answer. Just stupidity for anyone who's played the game at any level to even question that. Of course they count, it takes a lot of nerve to step up to that spot. I was the spot kick taker at every club I've ever played for. It's harsh, it's nerve racking. But the way he fires them away is unbelievable. I used to side foot them for accuracy, but it's obvious that I'm better than Harry anyway lol
To strike the ball like he does from 12 yards takes a shit load of confidence in your own ability
To strike the ball like he does from 12 yards takes a shit load of confidence in your own ability
Lilbaz
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Answer my own question:
www.google.com
Harry Kane closing in on Frank Lampard England record
The Spurs striker scored a hat trick in the 4-0 win over Bulgaria on Saturday
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spursfan77
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The hating of Kane is such an English thing to do. It’s why we never achieve anything in football. So much jealousy around him from fans of other clubs again I see.
Shadydan
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Stop trolling
mark87
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Cmon now , you're making us look bad.
Kane scores penalties and tap ins. They still count, but you cannot possibly consider Kane to be in form. He doesnt score braces anymore. He doesnt score from anywhere anymore(besides the wonder goal in preseason). He hasnt been in form for a few years. Well at least i’d rather cling to that hope than the increasing by the day likelihood that this shell of a player is the new Kane. Maybe Kane just cant be that well rounded absurdly dangerous player who can take the game by the horns and produce magic anymore like he used to and like Aguero, Salah, etc do.
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