Player watch: Christian Eriksen

brendanb50 · Sep 4, 2019

C1w8 said:
I think youre ultimately placing a lot of power in the clubs hands by assuming he would sign for say a United or other bidder outside of his desired destinations.

IMO Eriksen isnt pulling an alexis sanchez, hes not looking for any destination with a giant salary, he wants one of two destinations which to this point havent materialised, so hes signed nowhere.

Would benching him for a season get him to sign on to a club he doesnt want to join..? Maybe...but the way hes approached this i think he'd rather sit out a season than to sign for 4 years at a club he doesnt want to join to for the sake of a higher salary - otherwise he'd have done that with us.

Agreed and i hope your logic holds up.

I still hold out some degree of optimism whereby we facilitate some sort of bidding threshold from those 2 clubs as a starting point to negotiation (fair market price) and he signs an extension with this clause. Then he earns more money, gives us contractual certainty and allows him an 'out' if he chooses to make that move next year or the year after.

Lilbaz · Sep 4, 2019

'O Zio said:
You've got a point regarding the free agency style system where players just honour their contracts and then see what's out there once they get to the end of each contract. I can see that happening more and more now that transfer fees have gotten so ridiculous. However, the US-style trading system wouldn't really work unless you fundamentally changed the way that players' contracts work.

In the US players are contracted to the team, but the team is a franchise of the league, so in a roundabout way they're sort of indirectly contracted to the league. Therefore when a player gets traded to a different team, they don't get a whole new contract, the new team just assumed control of the existing contract i.e. if you trade for a player who only has 6 months left on his contract, you do so knowing that you'll only have him for 6 month and then he'll be a free agent.

When PL players etc. change teams, they're not just being relocated to another franchise within the same umbrella, they're leaving their old company to go and work for a completely new company, and as a result they get an entire new contract. Changing things to be like the US system would be completely impractical and I Suspect it might be hard to fit in with our/Europe's employment laws etc.

It's one reason why i think a european super league is a very real possibility that could work in a similar way to the american system.

Havre · Sep 4, 2019

Shadydan said:
Because maybe he wants the power to be in his hands...

I hope you are right. And you very well could be.

And maybe it is less of an issue for the squad than it seems from the outside - that things are less unsettled among the players and staff than current performances and comments from Pochettino seem to suggest.

Maybe my views are also somewhat coloured by Hercules' ITK suggesting Eriksen was stringing us along (if I remember correctly - don't want to misrepresent Hercules).

'O Zio · Sep 4, 2019

Lilbaz said:
It's one reason why i think a european super league is a very real possibility that could work in a similar way to the american system.

You could be right. That said I'm not sure about all the technicalities of it. For example, if all the clubs became franchises of the "European Super League" what happens if it ends up being a bit of a disaster? Would they then be completely tied into it and when the league failed the franchises would all cease to exist? Or would they be able to just leave and rejoin the PL etc. afterwards and so on. I have no idea about how all that side of it would work.

Lilbaz · Sep 4, 2019

'O Zio said:
You could be right. That said I'm not sure about all the technicalities of it. For example, if all the clubs became franchises of the "European Super League" what happens if it ends up being a bit of a disaster? Would they then be completely tied into it and when the league failed the franchises would all cease to exist? Or would they be able to just leave and rejoin the PL etc. afterwards and so on. I have no idea about how all that side of it would work.

The last proposal i believe was that each club would own a share of the league. How it would work in reality i have no idea and hope it never happens. But clubs have fucked themselves with the huge transfer fees and wages. Even arsenal one of the biggest clubs in europe are looking at making a big loss financially this year. The race for the cl is becoming similar to the race for the pl in the championship, where nearly all clubs are making losses chasing the golden bullet.

Canukspurs · Sep 4, 2019

Eriksen sometimes appears to set Spurs alight when he plays.....they are not the same team when he doesen't......... has
that special something?

C1w8 · Sep 4, 2019

Havre said:
Maybe.

Not saying my approach doesn't have a risk - of course it comes with the risk of having a good player on the bench for a year. But for me that is the lesser evil compared to the high probability of losing him for nothing.

And not sure if I buy this "he will only move for Barcelona or RM". What happens if neither of them offer him much of a contract come summer 2020? Is he going to retire?

I don't know what we might have offered Eriksen. Maybe we are not willing to offer him a release clause, but that would be pretty absurd. If he was that set on just those two clubs - why wouldn't he take a deal with a low release clause for them? He would have secured his money from us, in case of for example an injury, and he would have made sure he doesn't end up signing for a smaller club out of necessity come summer 2020.

Agree with you that its not a case of just barca or real in the sense that if they dont want him he has no choice but to go somewhere else (or resign with us, if we even want him that by that point),...but what's hes doing is opening the door as wide as possible for one of them by being available for nothing. They didnt want him for 50mil (or insert reported price)...but for nothing hes a much more attractive propostion.

Ronwol196061 · Sep 4, 2019

. We have Moura sitting on the bench and he is in our tean

Canukspurs said:
Eriksen sometimes appears to set Spurs alight when he plays.....they are not the same team when he doesen't......... has
that special something?

What happens when he plays and he doesn't set them alight?
Oh right its not him its the others...
But you are right,Tottenham are not the same team when he doesnt and thats because we have been one of the weakest quality teams in the league when it comes to creativity. He just is better at it than others. We need the mixture of Ndombele and Lo Celso to create enough at a minumum if Eriksen isnt around otherwise there was no point buying Lo Celso.He has to be better creatively than Lamela. We need more players to take control of midfield and develop more space going forward. This was our lack with or without Eriksen.Recycling the ball is limited unto itself it only makes sense if there are more opportunities created

fortworthspur · Sep 4, 2019

Shadydan said:
Because maybe he wants the power to be in his hands...

like football manager

Havre · Sep 4, 2019

C1w8 said:
Agree with you that its not a case of just barca or real in the sense that if they dont want him he has no choice but to go somewhere else (or resign with us, if we even want him that by that point),...but what's hes doing is opening the door as wide as possible for one of them by being available for nothing. They didnt want him for 50mil (or insert reported price)...but for nothing hes a much more attractive propostion.

And the way we are treating the situation he is doing it basically at no cost. Only risk is that he gets injured. Even then we’ll probably offer him a new contract if no one else will.

Flashspur · Sep 4, 2019

Ramsey and Juve need I say more?

gorgeous george · Sep 4, 2019

JimmyG2 said:
Is he still here?
Best news since the Arsenal draw.
11 million for 6 years solid service
bargain of the century.
If we give him away next summer
we've more than had our money's worth.
In the top three on goals and assists
since arrival.

It's the cost to replace him will be the problem

ravo · Sep 4, 2019

Flashspur said:
Ramsey and Juve need I say more?

Yep, I reckon it will be Juve or Bayern on a free.

nailsy · Sep 5, 2019

Havre said:
And not sure if I buy this "he will only move for Barcelona or RM". What happens if neither of them offer him much of a contract come summer 2020? Is he going to retire?

If they don't come in for him he'll sign for the best team that does comes in for him. What he won't do is sign a new contract with a team that's stuck him in the reserves for a year.
I really don't get why we'd treat him any differently to any other player. If he's training and playing well pick him. If he's not pick someone else.

Havre · Sep 5, 2019

nailsy said:
If they don't come in for him he'll sign for the best team that does comes in for him. What he won't do is sign a new contract with a team that's stuck him in the reserves for a year.
I really don't get why we'd treat him any differently to any other player. If he's training and playing well pick him. If he's not pick someone else.

Well. It is not the plan to keep him in the reserves. How did you read that out of this? It is the same as me saying I believe you believe he will sign with us if we just keep playing him. I guess that is not your point.

You might disagree with my opinion of course, but I don't understand how it is possible to misunderstand my position.

nailsy · Sep 5, 2019

Havre said:
Well. It is not the plan to keep him in the reserves. How did you read that out of this? It is the same as me saying I believe you believe he will sign with us if we just keep playing him. I guess that is not your point.

You might disagree with my opinion of course, but I don't understand how it is possible to misunderstand my position.

You said he would have to "accept being sold or not playing this season". You don't keep someone who isn't going to play for a season in the first team squad.

Havre said:
I would have told him after the season to either accept being sold or not to play this season.

I believe in such a situation he would have accepted being sold. He might not be money oriented, but would he accept spending a year not playing? If he had then clearly there is nothing we could have done.

As long as Pochettino says it doesn´t matter if he signs or not he will only sign if he plays poorly and realises no-one wants him. If I were to guess he will now leave regardless - even for a smaller club than us.

Havre · Sep 5, 2019

nailsy said:
You said he would have to "accept being sold or not playing this season". You don't keep someone who isn't going to play for a season in the first team squad.

Exactly. And what is the most likely scenario? Him staying or leaving at that point?

You cannot just represent one possible outcome and say that is my opinion.

I believe if that was made clear to him early he would have accepted being sold. 100% certainty? No. But I believe most people would agree the most likely outcome would be that he would accepted being sold. Would getting paid 300k at Utd be such a bad deal if the alternative was to basically sit out a season? Probably not. Is 300k at Utd a good deal if you can just keep on playing for Spurs for 1 year before moving somewhere else? Probably not.

Obviously no-one can know what the outcome would be or would have been. In my head it would have been close to 100% certainty Eriksen would have left at that point. Even at 80% I would have taken that gamble.

Now - if you were in charge and strongly believed Eriksen would stay even if he was told he would not be prioritized for this season - then of course alienating him would be rather pointless for any other reason than setting a precedence. Now I'm being told I'm an idiot for that as well of course. That such a precedence would make it more difficult to sign players. Again something that no-one can know for certain, but I fail to see how playing the players that are committed to the club would make it hard to sign new players. I would prefer signing players that want to play for Spurs rather than players primarily being concerned about what happens after Spurs.

'O Zio · Sep 5, 2019

Havre said:
Exactly. And what is the most likely scenario? Him staying or leaving at that point?

You cannot just represent one possible outcome and say that is my opinion.

I believe if that was made clear to him early he would have accepted being sold. 100% certainty? No. But I believe most people would agree the most likely outcome would be that he would accepted being sold. Would getting paid 300k at Utd be such a bad deal if the alternative was to basically sit out a season? Probably not. Is 300k at Utd a good deal if you can just keep on playing for Spurs for 1 year before moving somewhere else? Probably not.

Obviously no-one can know what the outcome would be or would have been. In my head it would have been close to 100% certainty Eriksen would have left at that point. Even at 80% I would have taken that gamble.

Now - if you were in charge and strongly believed Eriksen would stay even if he was told he would not be prioritized for this season - then of course alienating him would be rather pointless for any other reason than setting a precedence. Now I'm being told I'm an idiot for that as well of course. That such a precedence would make it more difficult to sign players. Again something that no-one can know for certain, but I fail to see how playing the players that are committed to the club would make it hard to sign new players. I would prefer signing players that want to play for Spurs rather than players primarily being concerned about what happens after Spurs.

I just fundamentally don't understand your logic. You keep talking about him "accepting" being sold as if we're trying to offload him but he's not budging, but that's the exact opposite of the current situation. We want to keep him but he wants to leave, preferably to Real Madrid. Unfortunately for him, he came out about it in public and then Real Madrid never came in for him and hung him out to dry. It's got nothing to do with him "accepting" being sold at all. If anything it's now about him accepting that he's here for another season and applying himself properly so that he attracts Madrid's attention next time around.

SpartanSpur · Sep 5, 2019

Having thought about this more I think it's pretty bad news that he didn't get a move this summer, especially in light of the Football Manager comments which suggest to me that he is not interested in signing a new deal (I hope I'm wrong of course).

Despite being a quality player, him still being here causes us problems. If we play him we are potentially taking playing time away from a Dele, Lo Celso, Moura, Lamela or Son, players who have a longer commitment to the club. This has been said to have caused an issue in the squad dynamic already by multiple journos. On top of that Eriksen playing/not playing becomes the easy media narrative focus, I can see it being like a cloud over the season unless we go on a winning run, at least until Jan anyway.

I hope we can somehow convince him to stay and dispel all of this, but I just can't see it currently.

Shadydan · Sep 5, 2019

C1w8 said:
Agree with you that its not a case of just barca or real in the sense that if they dont want him he has no choice but to go somewhere else (or resign with us, if we even want him that by that point),...but what's hes doing is opening the door as wide as possible for one of them by being available for nothing. They didnt want him for 50mil (or insert reported price)...but for nothing hes a much more attractive propostion.

Yeah - both teams are having money issues right now, they're both over budget so signing Eriksen for £50m despite him having a year left just doesn't make any business sense. He's gonna be more attractive in a few months where either can sign him on a pre contract for nothing.

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