Match Ratings Ratings vs City
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werty
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Result ≠ performance.
fortworthspur
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reminded me of that game up north when Redknapp was boss, Burnley maybe. We had about 30 shots and drew 1-1. It happens sometimes.
walworthyid
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Did poor lo celso even touch the ball?
ohtottenham!
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What a weird game! Don't think I've ever seen Spurs battered like that, I mean ever, and we somehow escaped with a point. Son, Alli out, Ndombele struggling with PL fitness, Lo Celso yet to start, drama re Verts, uncertainty re Eriksen's future, a young KWP getting used to being a starter.
We were always going to be discombobulated as it was, and we had the fire-breathing dragon of a fixture with City away 2nd game into the season. We did fine considering, and we'll improve. That City team is an absolute monster, even better than last season, and will humiliate some, if not all of our rivals this season.
We were always going to be discombobulated as it was, and we had the fire-breathing dragon of a fixture with City away 2nd game into the season. We did fine considering, and we'll improve. That City team is an absolute monster, even better than last season, and will humiliate some, if not all of our rivals this season.
werty
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Yes.
Ndombele, Walker Peters, Sanchez and Alderweireld were fantastic. I don't know what some of you guys are seeing, we're playing the best team in the world on their patch. If you go toe to toe with them, you get beat 4-1 like we did two seasons ago, or 6-0 like Chelsea did last season.
We sat deep, were disciplined, and ok yes we got lucky, but it was an incredibly drilled and disciplined performance.
MOTM either Ndombele or Sanchez for me.
We sat deep, were disciplined, and ok yes we got lucky, but it was an incredibly drilled and disciplined performance.
MOTM either Ndombele or Sanchez for me.
BringBack_leGin
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Formation - 0
VAR - 10
Manchester City - 9
Lloris: without him we lose this match. Neither goal in any way his fault and yes, a few of his passes were poor but he made one world class save and was very steady on everything else that came at him, of which there was a lot.
Walker - Peters: up against a player who is making mincemeat of most defenders at the moment, he played well in my opinion. Was robbed by Sterling once, I think with the goal you give Sterling credit for an incredible run, and going forward Walker_peters actually showed a fair bit of confidence and technique. Passable and did better against Sterling than more fullbacks will.
Alderweireld: poor in distribution, seemed a bit static defensively and between him and Sanchez I felt that the lack of attention given to Aguero for his goal was shoddy at best.
Sanchez: like Alderweireld, I felt he was poor on the Aguero goal, but otherwise he played well, cut out a lot and was the defender standing up to the barrage every time.
Rose: best way to sum up his performance is to point out that both City goals, and the majority of other City chances, came from our left hand side. I'll add that a poor defensive full back is easier to take if going forward you're getting huge amounts of product, but that's not the case here. Gumption and moxy can only get you so far.
Sissoko: seemed to be his job to protect Walker-Peters, he didn't. Seemed to be his job to transition, he didn't. Then he was put on the wing (at which point surely just bring on Lucas for him), which highlighted his deficiencies and dulled his plus points. another 16/17 Sissoko performance I'm afraid.
Ndombele: not helped by being played as our defensive midfielder, but ever with that in mind he just wasn't in the game and was seriously gassing in the final half hour. Pace of the game completely caught him out and City ran rings around him. On the barometer of Paulinho - Modric, today he's far closer to our old number 8 I'm afraid.
Winks: tried to do something with the ball and also made himself available to take it, but none of his good intention was matched by execution. Left Rose exposed too (he seemed to be the left sided midfielder) and lacked any real composure or imagination when he did have possession.
Lamela: a goal and an assist makes his performance sound better than it was. He wasn't bad, and he was our most likely player to make anything happen with his occasional drives, but his most promising situations were undone by indecision and poor execution.
Eriksen: off the ball was one of our better players, but on the ball he just wasn't at it, too slow to get the ball out of his feet and didn't manage to create a stitch.
Kane: while he has the slight excuse of being the striker in a match where we created nothing (literally), he has to do more to help out the side when we're that under the cosh. He just wasn't an out ball today, there was no hold up play and he wasn't running the channels.
Lucas: came on, won us a point, pressed well and went on a couple of eye pleasing runs.
Lo Celso and Skipp: had no effect whatsoever.
A lot of scathing criticism above, but I caveat it all with condemnation of a formation and selection which played to none of our strengths and all of City's. The fullbacks were given no protection, there were three central midfielders who were all trying to do the same thing (and all failing at it), there was no variation in our (rare) attacking play and our best player was left isolated. Christmas tree, diamond, whatever, it doesn't work. With Son returning and Lo Celso getting another week of training, I really hope to see something resembling ambition in next week's line up. I will also caveat this criticism by saying that even if we had gone with another formation, it might not have worked anyway. Today Manchester City steamroll every side in this league in terms of possession, attacking impact and eye catching football, they were absolutely superb, and the only way any selection we put out was getting a result was with a bit of fortune, a bit of character and a bit of opportunism, all three of which we did show.
VAR - 10
Manchester City - 9
Lloris: without him we lose this match. Neither goal in any way his fault and yes, a few of his passes were poor but he made one world class save and was very steady on everything else that came at him, of which there was a lot.
Walker - Peters: up against a player who is making mincemeat of most defenders at the moment, he played well in my opinion. Was robbed by Sterling once, I think with the goal you give Sterling credit for an incredible run, and going forward Walker_peters actually showed a fair bit of confidence and technique. Passable and did better against Sterling than more fullbacks will.
Alderweireld: poor in distribution, seemed a bit static defensively and between him and Sanchez I felt that the lack of attention given to Aguero for his goal was shoddy at best.
Sanchez: like Alderweireld, I felt he was poor on the Aguero goal, but otherwise he played well, cut out a lot and was the defender standing up to the barrage every time.
Rose: best way to sum up his performance is to point out that both City goals, and the majority of other City chances, came from our left hand side. I'll add that a poor defensive full back is easier to take if going forward you're getting huge amounts of product, but that's not the case here. Gumption and moxy can only get you so far.
Sissoko: seemed to be his job to protect Walker-Peters, he didn't. Seemed to be his job to transition, he didn't. Then he was put on the wing (at which point surely just bring on Lucas for him), which highlighted his deficiencies and dulled his plus points. another 16/17 Sissoko performance I'm afraid.
Ndombele: not helped by being played as our defensive midfielder, but ever with that in mind he just wasn't in the game and was seriously gassing in the final half hour. Pace of the game completely caught him out and City ran rings around him. On the barometer of Paulinho - Modric, today he's far closer to our old number 8 I'm afraid.
Winks: tried to do something with the ball and also made himself available to take it, but none of his good intention was matched by execution. Left Rose exposed too (he seemed to be the left sided midfielder) and lacked any real composure or imagination when he did have possession.
Lamela: a goal and an assist makes his performance sound better than it was. He wasn't bad, and he was our most likely player to make anything happen with his occasional drives, but his most promising situations were undone by indecision and poor execution.
Eriksen: off the ball was one of our better players, but on the ball he just wasn't at it, too slow to get the ball out of his feet and didn't manage to create a stitch.
Kane: while he has the slight excuse of being the striker in a match where we created nothing (literally), he has to do more to help out the side when we're that under the cosh. He just wasn't an out ball today, there was no hold up play and he wasn't running the channels.
Lucas: came on, won us a point, pressed well and went on a couple of eye pleasing runs.
Lo Celso and Skipp: had no effect whatsoever.
A lot of scathing criticism above, but I caveat it all with condemnation of a formation and selection which played to none of our strengths and all of City's. The fullbacks were given no protection, there were three central midfielders who were all trying to do the same thing (and all failing at it), there was no variation in our (rare) attacking play and our best player was left isolated. Christmas tree, diamond, whatever, it doesn't work. With Son returning and Lo Celso getting another week of training, I really hope to see something resembling ambition in next week's line up. I will also caveat this criticism by saying that even if we had gone with another formation, it might not have worked anyway. Today Manchester City steamroll every side in this league in terms of possession, attacking impact and eye catching football, they were absolutely superb, and the only way any selection we put out was getting a result was with a bit of fortune, a bit of character and a bit of opportunism, all three of which we did show.
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EastLondonYid
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We weren't great.. We rode our luck.......... But embarresment??? You taking the piss?
Thought Kane & Eriksen were really poor. I know it’s a tough game and they had little to work with, but that is when you need your ‘world class’ players to stand up and make sure when they do get the ball they do something. And when I say something I am not talking scoring a worldy, I would settle for keeping possession and making the right decision.
Delighted with a point but would have hoped to shown more quality.
Delighted with a point but would have hoped to shown more quality.
carmeldevil
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My thoughts exactly. Bit disappointed with these two.
bigpalacios
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Harsh assessment of Ndombele, hes 22 and that is the hardest fixture he will play all season. Give him a break!
How was Modric after 2 games?
trevo
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Apparently he's that good he doesn't need to.
Ionman34
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Painful viewing for most of the match, mostly because we still seem unable to break a high press. Compare us to City who always seem to have a player in space when they bring it out, then acres of space once they're through it. The drilling they do to gain that fluidity and comfort on the ball is patently evident. That is the measure of Guardiola. Yes he has the best tools around, but it's the coaching that has made them the unit they are. In comparison, we looked slow and laboured because they are superb at closing down channels. As good a coach as Poch is, I don't think he's near Guardiola's level yet, and I think that game bears that out. Yes I know we were missing some key personnel, but does anyone honestly believe that having Son and Alli in the team would have changed that?
I honestly thought the set up was the right one when I saw it, compact and looking to counter. For me it was about making sure we didn't give any stupid goals away early and grow into the game. For the first 20 mins or so it worked, after a fashion, but they were relentless with their press. It's telling that the one time they didn't press like madmen we then go up the other end and score.
Just on the 2 games I've seen of them so far, this City team looks even better than last season, with KDB looking at the very top of his game. I can't see anyone living with City in this current form, they are streets ahead of anyone in World Football atm imo.
So painful yes, embarrassing no but, for me, Poch should be looking at how Guardiola has drilled his team and should be looking to emulate much of what he has done with that City team.
Our players aren't mugs, they're top notch professionals that could play that high tempo game if it's drilled into them.
I honestly thought the set up was the right one when I saw it, compact and looking to counter. For me it was about making sure we didn't give any stupid goals away early and grow into the game. For the first 20 mins or so it worked, after a fashion, but they were relentless with their press. It's telling that the one time they didn't press like madmen we then go up the other end and score.
Just on the 2 games I've seen of them so far, this City team looks even better than last season, with KDB looking at the very top of his game. I can't see anyone living with City in this current form, they are streets ahead of anyone in World Football atm imo.
So painful yes, embarrassing no but, for me, Poch should be looking at how Guardiola has drilled his team and should be looking to emulate much of what he has done with that City team.
Our players aren't mugs, they're top notch professionals that could play that high tempo game if it's drilled into them.
BringBack_leGin
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Amended to say ‘today’ he’s far closer. I didn’t mean I think that he’s a Paulinho, I certainly don’t, I just meant that today’s lack of involvement and being passed by reminded me of Paulinho.
He was gassing though. Needs some cardio.
Indisguise
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Um... red boots...
Not sure how to rate that performance. It was like Pochettino set us up to fail. Play with two wingers that are not wingers. Move Lucas to the left after we have actually created something with him on the right. Gave KWP no cover etc.
Agree that our central defenders were OK besides that second goal. Poor from both of them. I actually liked N’Dombele, but he clearly isn’t fit enough to play in the PL yet. Kane needs support and Eriksen needs runners. We all know this. Especially Eriksen is sensitive to who he plays with.
Pochettino - 0
Our players - 5-6
Agree that our central defenders were OK besides that second goal. Poor from both of them. I actually liked N’Dombele, but he clearly isn’t fit enough to play in the PL yet. Kane needs support and Eriksen needs runners. We all know this. Especially Eriksen is sensitive to who he plays with.
Pochettino - 0
Our players - 5-6
