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nikojev

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These quotes don't sound great. Especially not taking yesterdays ITK from Gards about poch not being particulary happy into consideration.
 

Led Revolver

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Why so many comments like this?

Poch has said before that he is part of the transfer committee that identifies targets.

What he means here is that he doesn’t know where Levy is with making the deals happen. It’s not the 1980s anymore, managers don’t negotiate with targets, it’s the club that signs them.

Absolutely! Plus until we reach 8th August, I think it’s safer to assume that Poch is keeping his cards close to his chest regarding signings. The ITK are treading carefully with leaked information, and you could suggest that Pochettino is doing the same.

I’ve no doubts that he is annoyed and frustrated as I’m sure he’d ideally like all of our key players in by now, so he can work in fitness and tactics ready for the upcoming season, but it looks like all Premier League teams and managers are in the same boat and players on the move will take their time, but ultimately prioritise a move to England before 8th August. Things are starting to move in the PL, and I’m sure the domino effect will take off properly with a week to go.

It’s ultimately down to Levy, but let’s follow the market as a whole until 8th August and assess properly after then. Bar Wan Bissaka, all of our targets are still obtainable up until this point.
 

wrd

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This is exactly where I come down on it. I wouldn't begrudge Levy for putting his foot down and refusing to pay €75m for GLC, if it's true that they won't budge on that valuation.

What's completely inexcusable to me has been the failure to have viable Plan B options lined up. I understand that Poch has been burned with the Njies, Nkoudous and Janssens of the world, but sometimes it's simply the case that we aren't able to get the first choice across the line.

I cannot accept that there have been so few options on the market that would have addressed our needs over the past two or three summers. There's a middle ground between top talents like De Jong, Ndombele, GLC etc. and total punts like Njie and Nkoudou. If it turns out that GLC is impossible then there has got to be someone else out there who would also improve us -- we've just got to scout that player properly and Poch needs to be willing to accept them. We saw last season how incredibly risky it is to allow the squad to languish.

It's difficult but half this forum was willing to accept Tielemans and we've ended up with Ndombele, so there's a bit of evidence to show that Poch digging in has yielded a positive result but it's incredibly frustrating transfer to transfer as a fan.
 

Giovanni

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If things were to remain as they are then......
Am i sick in the mind for almost wanting poch to walk just to teach levy a lesson?

I was loosing sleep over whether to renew my season ticket which cost 2200 and i decided not to and boy will i feel bad for those who have if things stay as they are on the transfer front.

Levy has lost me, its up to him to change that.
 

wrd

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Then let’s hope we have an alternative. But I bet we don’t. Oh no wait a minute, we do, it’s eriksen and it’s why we haven’t signed him yet. Eriksen is still here!

I know people will be happy if Eriksen and Alder stay when the first ball is kicked but let's make no mistake if we're not enjoying the transfer window this summer it will be hell on each if next season those 2 leave on a free and we don't have the resources to replace them because we didn't get anything for them. If they sign deals great but if they're not going to then we need to move them on ASAP.

And it's absolutely not the clubs fault that we are in this situation, it's the way that football is heading, players run down their contracts, the club have little say in it, you put an offer on the table and they don't sign and nobody is willing to offer any money for them.
 

WiganSpur

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This is exactly where I come down on it. I wouldn't begrudge Levy for putting his foot down and refusing to pay €75m for GLC, if it's true that they won't budge on that valuation.

What's completely inexcusable to me has been the failure to have viable Plan B options lined up. I understand that Poch has been burned with the Njies, Nkoudous and Janssens of the world, but sometimes it's simply the case that we aren't able to get the first choice across the line.

I cannot accept that there have been so few options on the market that would have addressed our needs over the past two or three summers. There's a middle ground between top talents like De Jong, Ndombele, GLC etc. and total punts like Njie and Nkoudou. If it turns out that GLC is impossible then there has got to be someone else out there who would also improve us -- we've just got to scout that player properly and Poch needs to be willing to accept them. We saw last season how incredibly risky it is to allow the squad to languish.
It's a difficult situation. It might just be that Pochettino is perfectly capable of being flexible, but it is obviously his preference to secure targets 1 and 2. Accepting alternatives might present a sort of 'moral hazard' for Levy which can result in your Njies and Nkoudous etc as he has licence to piss about with top targets knowing Poch will accept less.

I think there needs to be a change in structure somewhere.
 

Lighty64

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Poch is part of the transfer committee isn't he? (serious question for those transfer experts in the know)

apparently he is part of the committee, but his job in that is to say I want him, him, him and him, then the rest is down to Levy. if Levy can't get him, he offers him a plan B, but after our history of moving on plan B's and overloading the squad, looks like it has changed Poch to a plan A or nothing man.

he then goes and does his job of coaching and hopes the phone rings with a "we got him".
 
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apparently he is part of the committee, but his job in that is to say I want him, him, him and him, then the rest is down to Levy. if Levy can't get him, he offers him a plan B, but after our history of moving on plan B's and overloading the squad, looks like it has changed Poch to a plan A or nothing man.

he then goes and does his job of coaching and hopes the phone rings with a "we got him".
Well I guess tweets and hot takes sell good copy.

Nine days to go.
 

seppo

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Why so many comments like this?

Poch has said before that he is part of the transfer committee that identifies targets.

What he means here is that he doesn’t know where Levy is with making the deals happen. It’s not the 1980s anymore, managers don’t negotiate with targets, it’s the club that signs them.
What I am saying is that if Poch is part of the transfer committee, he wouldn't be in the position of having to "turn down players" as previously suggested by ITKs in here. He wouldn't turn down players he has been a part of scouting/suggesting to the rest of the team, would he? Which is why people, including me, can see why Poch would be upset by the recent years of failures in the market by Levy, and in the end be the reason why he decides enough is enough.
 

mattyspurs

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If things were to remain as they are then......
Am i sick in the mind for almost wanting poch to walk just to teach levy a lesson?

I was loosing sleep over whether to renew my season ticket which cost 2200 and i decided not to and boy will i feel bad for those who have if things stay as they are on the transfer front.

Levy has lost me, its up to him to change that.
Well I wish I lived closer to London as I would have snapped your hand off.

You are entitled to your own opinions and Levy is far from perfect, but fuck me, if you can’t see that this is the greatest time to be A Spurs fan for several decades then I wonder what you want from this club. We could still get a couple of decent signings in and potentially challenge for the title.

We are hardly Mike Ashley run Newcastle now are we??
 

BringBack_leGin

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If things were to remain as they are then......
Am i sick in the mind for almost wanting poch to walk just to teach levy a lesson?

I was loosing sleep over whether to renew my season ticket which cost 2200 and i decided not to and boy will i feel bad for those who have if things stay as they are on the transfer front.

Levy has lost me, its up to him to change that.
Don’t feel sorry for me please, I’m excited as fuck about getting to go to support my team play football live again this season (y)
 

Matrix

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Smells of the same problem that we had last season, and to be quite honest I suspect it's a combination of MP and DL's fault.

DL's due to his haggling and overcaution in getting the players on Pochettino's list, but also possibly MP's inflexibility in terms of being able to work with only a very small pool of scouted players as sometimes you can't get your top target for reasons out of your control.

This combination is a recipe for huge gaps in the squad. Poch identifies say only 2 players for each position, DL fails, Poch refuses alternatives. Rinse and repeat.

The reality is there are still plenty of players out there that would improve us. I think both sides need to show more flexibility if our transfer strategy is to improve. Levy needs to make more of an effort to get players higher on the list, but Pochettino needs to be more adaptable to accommodate 3rd and 4th choice options if deals can't be secured.

I think his stance has been like that since the deadwood we have bought because plan A was ballsed up and we have been left with players no other club wants. That in itself is as bad a problem. If you can’t get the player you want, why buy someone crap who doesn’t improve the squad or even gets a sniff of playing taking up wages and wasting a a transfer fee. You are doubly effed as you have to shift a player to make space for plan a the following transfer window. My take on it anyway.
 

spurs mental

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If things were to remain as they are then......
Am i sick in the mind for almost wanting poch to walk just to teach levy a lesson?

I was loosing sleep over whether to renew my season ticket which cost 2200 and i decided not to and boy will i feel bad for those who have if things stay as they are on the transfer front.

Levy has lost me, its up to him to change that.

I reckon most fans won't be basing whether they renew their season tickets or not on how many new shiny players the club signs to be honest.

Levy might have lost your 2200, but someone else has already gone and given it to him.
 

Lighty64

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I think 95% of the people on this forum support Levy but a lot of them are now of the opinion that the brinkmanship games have become self-defeating.

when he 1st approached Betis he had no intention of paying 88m so offered his lowball, just like Man U are doing with Leicester for Maguire.

apparently we had an agreed deal at 1 point, but because it's going wrong the doubters want to blame Levy. if we are going to blame anyone, lets wait till the end of the window and see what happens
 

Gspurs11

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It’s all well and good saying signings won’t get a full pre-season to bed in with the team and tactics/fitness etc. But Lo Celso isn’t due back to Betis until tomorrow. It’s not ideal and I agree on the most part, with a day or two probably making a difference but this was always the outcome with his tournament appearance. Just hope Levy’s long-game poker pays off!
 

Lighty64

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I am sure joe lewis is richer than Abramovic. But our ownership is not trying to spend their own money rather to earn money via the club and use some of it. For every 90s there are 80s and 6os if you don't believe me ask @Ronwol196061 as he was around at that time.

ok a little trivia question for you before I answer

who are the owners of these 3 clubs
1. Man C =
2. Chelsea =
3. Tottenham Hotspur =
 

Indisguise

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when he 1st approached Betis he had no intention of paying 88m so offered his lowball, just like Man U are doing with Leicester for Maguire.

apparently we had an agreed deal at 1 point, but because it's going wrong the doubters want to blame Levy. if we are going to blame anyone, lets wait till the end of the window and see what happens
I hear you but my concern is that we've been here so many times before and have been left wanting. I hope Levy pulls it out the bag this time, I really do.
 
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