Jose Mourinho

JimmyG2 · Jul 27, 2020

Spurrific said:
Klopp took them to two finals in his first season, and their squad when he joined them was nowhere near the quality of ours under Jose. I'm fully aware there's some deadwood, and players that Jose doesn't want - but people are talking about our squad like it's Crystal Palace's or something.

I fully expect us to be up there next season, and challenging for trophies, and I'm sure Jose does too - because he doesn't have a loser mentality, going into seasons with excuses ready.

Funny you should mention Crystal Palace.
They were better than us
and we scraped a draw
thanks to a moment of brilliance
from Lo Celso and Kane.

No manager or player is above the club.
I love the club, its History Traditions and Reputation which endure
if only in the memories of the fans
and I quite like some managers
who have bought into this.
Mourinho hasn't and doesn't
but for the sake of the club
I wish him well.
He'll be gone soon enough.

Shadydan · Jul 27, 2020

Spurrific said:
Klopp took them to two finals in his first season, and their squad when he joined them was nowhere near the quality of ours under Jose. I'm fully aware there's some deadwood, and players that Jose doesn't want - but people are talking about our squad like it's Crystal Palace's or something.

I fully expect us to be up there next season, and challenging for trophies, and I'm sure Jose does too - because he doesn't have a loser mentality, going into seasons with excuses ready.

Didn't they finish 8th in the league as well, seems about par to me - maybe Jose should have done better in the cups and he probably would have if we hadn't lost our strikers at that time so not sure you can directly compare.

spursfan77 · Jul 27, 2020

Styopa said:
Excluding an abysmal run before lockdown which coincided with key injuries to Kane, Son et al our results, at least, in the league have actually been very good.

For comparison sake:

Of Mourinho's 26 league matches in charge, we have won 13, drawn 6 and lost 7. That's an average point ratio of 1.73 points, which over 38 games = 65.74 points which is around where Chelsea/Man U finished this season.

In the 26 league matches prior to that we won 8, drew 7, lost 11. That's an average point ratio of 1.19 points, which over 38 games = 42.52 points which is about where Crystal Palace finished this season.

It is simply undeniable that our results in the league have improved considerably since Mourinho took over.

Whether one thinks the nature of our performances have improved is more subjective. Personally I feel as if we had stopped being enjoyable to watch a good 9 or 10 months before Mourinho took charge, excluding of course a few incredible moments in the Champions League. We have been similarly dreadful to watch in many of the games since Mourinho took over, especially immediately either side of lockdown. However given the circumstances in which Mourinho arrived at the club i.e. our terrible form over 25+ games, the fact he took over 12 matches into the season, a run of injuries to key attacking players, and the exceptional circumstances of this season, it is not really that surprising that at times we have looked disjointed and ponderous. With this is mind, I think it makes sense to reserve judgement until at least 10 matches into next season about what sort of team Mourinho is moulding us into.

Yep. Definitely improving. We need to get that average points up to above 2 though to really stand to get top 4 next season. Although I have a feeling there won't be run away winners of the league and the top 4 will continue to be a close run thing.

SargeantMeatCurtains · Jul 27, 2020

The one thing that concerns is me how we perform against teams who sit back and don’t necessarily look to win. Whilst we’ve looked brilliant counter attacking against teams like Arsenal and Leicester, whenever we’ve had to try to take the initiative, like against Bournemouth and Palace yesterday, we’ve looked flat.

That needs to improve massively next season.

spursfan77 · Jul 27, 2020

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
The one thing that concerns is me how we perform against teams who sit back and don’t necessarily look to win. Whilst we’ve looked brilliant counter attacking against teams like Arsenal and Leicester, whenever we’ve had to try to take the initiative, like against Bournemouth and Palace yesterday, we’ve looked flat.

That needs to improve massively next season.

It is one reason why I am slowly coming round to trying to get a more creative player like Coutinho in. Not that I think we'd pay the money Barcelona want to do the deal. More likely the scum will cough up.

ralphs bald spot · Jul 27, 2020

I think the football has been fairly turgid on the whole under Jose and to be fair for most of this season- the results have been ok under Jose but he has inherited some great players in this squad, but it feels to me very negative having Bournemouth and Palace outplay you especially when confidence wise they were there for the taking is poor in any way you dress it up. The United game we gave them the initiative - I know its his style of play and it might prove to be successful but I am nit sure that sitting back and soaking up pressure is going to go down to well when we have a crowd back who are going to want football on the front foot

daryl hannah · Jul 27, 2020

I'm not sure why Mourinho and the team are celebrating so vigourously on the touchline - probably celebrated as he did after the game because he got to keep his job? It wouldn't surprise me if Levy had said "Top 6 or the sack."

Haddock · Jul 27, 2020

daryl hannah said:
I'm not sure why Mourinho and the team are celebrating so vigourously on the touchline - probably celebrated as he did after the game because he got to keep his job? It wouldn't surprise me if Levy had said "Top 6 or the sack."

We had just secured a place in the Europa League. Which is quite an accomplishment considering we were in 14th place just a couple of months ago.

I completely understand why he and the rest of the coaching staff celebrated.

thekneaf · Jul 27, 2020

daryl hannah said:
I'm not sure why Mourinho and the team are celebrating so vigourously on the touchline - probably celebrated as he did after the game because he got to keep his job? It wouldn't surprise me if Levy had said "Top 6 or the sack."

Maybe because he gave his team a clear objective at some point. Say, top 6, and he was celebrating it as it was achieved? Yes it looks weird to us. But we all frequently celebrate achieving goals that may actually be risible to others. He may be enforcing a culture that establishes goals, and celebrates attainment. I hope, and we all do, that the bar next year is higher.

-Afri-Coy- · Jul 27, 2020

I swear some of you are literally just here to piss on any parade we could possibly have. We could win the PL under Mourinho and you'd still find a reason to whine and complain.

"We didn't score 368 goals so it doesn't count as a title."
"We Won the PL but the football was boring so we should give the trophy back."
"Mourinho smiled at me while I was in the crowd at our last game, get him out of my club."

We have made progress, we have slowly started to stop the rot within the squad, and we will improve with some acute signings. Not all doom and gloom as was expected when JM arrived. He has actually done an incredible job given the circumstances.

The world has been in shambles recently, to some of us football is probably the only positive thing we have. Let's take our small victories where we can.

Wig · Jul 27, 2020

daryl hannah said:
I'm not sure why Mourinho and the team are celebrating so vigourously on the touchline - probably celebrated as he did after the game because he got to keep his job? It wouldn't surprise me if Levy had said "Top 6 or the sack."

It was a disappointing performance against Palace, but the overriding big picture of the final game was that we needed to better Wolves' result against Chelsea to secure 6th spot and a Europa League place. Once more it was a pragmatic performance for Mourinho; in the knowledge that Wolves were losing 2-0 they decided to play compact and safeguard the draw, rather than open up searching for a win and risk losing the game (and thus 6th spot/Europa).

soflapaul · Jul 27, 2020

JimmyG2 said:
Funny you should mention Crystal Palace.
They were better than us
and we scraped a draw
thanks to a moment of brilliance
from Lo Celso and Kane.

No manager or player is above the club.
I love the club, its History Traditions and Reputation which endure
if only in the memories of the fans
and I quite like some managers
who have bought into this.
Mourinho hasn't and doesn't
but for the sake of the club
I wish him well.
He'll be gone soon enough.

All very true. But if Spurs truly are the special club we all think it is, then the meaning of "No manager or player is above the club" can also mean that "No manager or player is above the club so much that they can remain unchanged by the club." Watching the Jan tribute or remembering how gutted we were despite the horrendous performances when Poch left once again reminded us that this club is far from being a bunch of mercenaries seeking glory primarily for personal gain. While Jose is Jose, there does seem to be a bit of mellowing around the edges and appreciation of who Tottenham was, is and could be. Whether it is due to the club, age, legacy or a combination, I'm going to give the guy time and watch for clues that he gets it and us.

Metalhead · Jul 27, 2020

daryl hannah said:
I'm not sure why Mourinho and the team are celebrating so vigourously on the touchline - probably celebrated as he did after the game because he got to keep his job? It wouldn't surprise me if Levy had said "Top 6 or the sack."

As much as it’s possible to be sure of anything that we aren’t privy to behind the scenes, I really doubt that to be the case.

Shadydan · Jul 27, 2020

-Afri-Coy- said:
I swear some of you are literally just here to piss on any parade we could possibly have. We could win the PL under Mourinho and you'd still find a reason to whine and complain.

"We didn't score 368 goals so it doesn't count as a title."
"We Won the PL but the football was boring so we should give the trophy back."
"Mourinho smiled at me while I was in the crowd at our last game, get him out of my club."

We have made progress, we have slowly started to stop the rot within the squad, and we will improve with some acute signings. Not all doom and gloom as was expected when JM arrived. He has actually done an incredible job given the circumstances.

The world has been in shambles recently, to some of us football is probably the only positive thing we have. Let's take our small victories where we can.

Some people love being miserable.

Cochise · Jul 27, 2020

We can all go on about Jose inheriting a better squad, but better does not mean balanced. Yes we had Kane, Son, GLC, Dele and N'Dombele, but we also had 0 defensive awareness in midfield, we had it on the bench but it was injured. We had a CB partnership that was a shadow of its former self and a set of average fullbacks who all had various shortcomings to their game. I don't think anyone could've gotten amazing football out of this lot without us conceding the same amount, we don't have the players to do both.

Jose went for the percentage play, which was to reduce the poor players shortcomings by playing an organised mid-deep block to keep clean sheets whilst relying upon one of the best #9's in the world to score the few chances we produced. It worked.

Now if we sign the right players and are still playing like this by January then I will start bitching in this thread with the others that already are. However I'm willing to give him time as I can clearly see that we have massive deficiencies in the squad. Even then, as others have noted we may need a second summer window to truly sort things out.

McFlash · Jul 27, 2020

daryl hannah said:
I'm not sure why Mourinho and the team are celebrating so vigourously on the touchline - probably celebrated as he did after the game because he got to keep his job? It wouldn't surprise me if Levy had said "Top 6 or the sack."

Because it helps build, and show, team spirit.

Not to mention that when all things are considered, 6th is a pretty good achievement from this shitshow of a season and worth celebrating.

freeeki · Jul 27, 2020

daryl hannah said:
I'm not sure why Mourinho and the team are celebrating so vigourously on the touchline - probably celebrated as he did after the game because he got to keep his job? It wouldn't surprise me if Levy had said "Top 6 or the sack."

You know exactly why they celebrated, but the fact you're struggling more and more for something negative to say at every given opportunity is pretty funny

knowlespurs · Jul 27, 2020

whatever your view on Jose it does seem the players have bought into what he is trying to do, very very little press reports of any unhappiness, by and large apart from Tanguy he hasnt had a go at any of them in the press, and Toby and Dier who were on their way under Poch have both signed which must show they think Jose is an excellent manager, also Tanganga happy to sign as well

daryl hannah · Jul 27, 2020

freeeki said:
You know exactly why they celebrated, but the fact you're struggling more and more for something negative to say at every given opportunity is pretty funny

Chill, freeeki...

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Was just trying to say that Pochettino himself was feeling the pressure from Levy in his first year at the club and that there was a possible parallel with Mourinho:

"For me, that goal was an amazing goal because it meant for us, for everyone, the possibility to stay here today.

"It's true, the team were 14th or 13th and we were a little bit under pressure because the team were playing well, but not winning games and we were a bit under pressure. Always in football, when you don't get good results, the first to be sacked is the manager...

"That is why that goal allowed us to carry on working and try to change the club. We were in the first season at Tottenham and people on day one when I signed the contract said, 'Ok maybe in a few months, we have a new face in front of us!'"
—Mauricio Pochettino

I am a Mourinho fan and would like to give him time so I think my original post has been misread.

bubble07 · Jul 27, 2020

After most post match interviews the players say we stood off them too much...

Now if that is the managers instructions then why do they say that. If it's not the managers instructions why are they doing that?

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