Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

scat1620 · Mar 8, 2020

LeParisien said:
..and Zidane have all achieved significant success more recently than Mourinho without creating discord and upset.

You know what, you're right, I can't remember Zidane having any very public falling outs with any high profile footballers at his club recently...

EDIT - sorry, read the rest of the page, well done to everyone who beat me to it.

theShiznit · Mar 8, 2020

scat1620 said:
You know what, you're right, I can't remember Zidane having any very public falling outs with any high profile footballers at his club recently...

TBF he always picks Bale in his four balls. (y)

Archibald&Crooks · Mar 8, 2020

scat1620 said:
You know what, you're right, I can't remember Zidane having any very public falling outs with any high profile footballers at his club recently...

EDIT - sorry, read the rest of the page, well done to everyone who beat me to it.

Didn't Guardiola have some sort of falling out or something with Leroy Sane?

Spurs_Bear · Mar 8, 2020

Ronwol196061 said:
Thanks

All jokes aside Ron I do respect you, you don’t turn to abuse or hyperbole and you will happily call it like it should be at times, I do however think that anyone saying that Ndombele was “fine/decent/not bad at all” yesterday is talking out of their backside.

scat1620 · Mar 8, 2020

Archibald&Crooks said:
Didn't Guardiola have some sort of falling out or something with Leroy Sane?

Sounds right, but I haven't followed the details so wouldn't want to use that as an example.

Anyway, IMO there are some valid arguments that people can use to support a view of not being happy with Mourinho's overall performance at Spurs so far (I would tend to disagree, but there are arguments to be made), but on the specific subject of Mourinho and Ndombele, it's clear as day to me where the underlying problem lies, and - spoiler alert - it's not with Mourinho.

Spurs_Bear · Mar 8, 2020

Archibald&Crooks said:
Didn't Guardiola have some sort of falling out or something with Leroy Sane?

He certainly takes the tough love approach with Sane.

Thewobbler · Mar 8, 2020

Some of this vid is a bit shit quality but this is the game against norwich in the league and he looked good from the clips. If we can just get him up to the fitness required. The clip shows what he can do with the ball.

wirE · Mar 8, 2020

Tbh I agree with Josè’s comments on Ndombele and his performance in the first half. But to openly single out a player like that is not okay. It’s a matter that should be done behind closed doors

And publicly state that the player now will find it hard to get into the team again, is also not okay

Ionman34 · Mar 8, 2020

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
I mean the tactical change was pretty clear. Instead of a back 5 we had a back 4, which in turn allowed us to push an extra man in to the attack, which gave the midfield an extra outlet, more width and Burnley another attacker to have to mark.

In the first half, when Skipp and Ndombele got the ball, they had 3 narrow options and 5 CBs behind them. They had absolutely no wide outlets and so we couldn’t progress the ball from a low/mid block up the pitch.

Not only that but from a defensive POV, when Burnley tucked in they had 4 players around them, very much like Chelsea outnumbered us at Stamford Bridge.

With Dier and Lo Celso, they had a block of 3 players spread across in front of them, with Dele higher, giving them more bodies to work with higher up the pitch and both retain and progress the ball.

Had we put Lo Celso on for one of the CBs and put him in the hole but kept Skipp and Ndombele in cm, we would almost have seen a similar upturn as they would have had an extra outlet in midfield to find and another body to assist them off the ball. Could have put Lucas on for Lamela for more pace on the right as this helped too.

Burnley started with a 442, they finished with a 442. They didn’t change anything about their setup just because we brought Moura on, so the midfield in the second half were facing the same competition as those in the first half. All Burnley did was swap out like for like.

In the first half, we had the 3 up front who, at times, played narrow. However, Bergwijn was playing off the left flank but only really moved in narrow on the occasions that JV was overlapping. We are more narrow on our right side because Lamela isn’t a wide forward, so I’ll give you that as Tanganga was not overlapping, but both he and JV were pushing up when we went forward, though JV further into Burnley’s half to cross.
However, the opportunities for JV to maraud forward we’re few because we couldn’t win the ball in the centre of the pitch. Skipp was all over the place as a result of TN not doing the hard yards whenever our forward momentum broke down.

This changed in the second half because of the personnel changes. Burnley didn’t change to a back 5 with 3 across midfield at all, they maintained their 2 banks of 4 with 2 up front for the full 90 minutes. The difference was that we battled harder in the 2nd half and took control of the midfield. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for you Dele comment, he effectively started him as a false 9. How much further up the pitch do you want him to go?

ikky · Mar 8, 2020

wirE said:
Tbh I agree with Josè’s comments on Ndombele and his performance in the first half. But to openly single out a player like that is not okay. It’s a matter that should be done behind closed doors

As many have said, it’s more than likely it’s all been said behind closed doors and it hasn’t had the desired effect. So this is probably another or even last straw tactic with him. I wouldn’t be surprised to see that other players who have been busting a gut are getting disgruntled with him also.

Ronwol196061 · Mar 8, 2020

Spurs_Bear said:
All jokes aside Ron I do respect you, you don’t turn to abuse or hyperbole and you will happily call it like it should be at times, I do however think that anyone saying that Ndombele was “fine/decent/not bad at all” yesterday is talking out of their backside.

bear,you are in the wronglish business mate,you need to be a stand up comedian, the punch line was brilliant.
Tell me seriously,how many bad passes did NDombele make? How many times was it to the opposition? And yet most of the other players do that every week or...er..havent you noticed?

Johnny J · Mar 8, 2020

Thewobbler said:
Some of this vid is a bit shit quality but this is the game against norwich in the league and he looked good from the clips. If we can just get him up to the fitness required. The clip shows what he can do with the ball.

He has an obscene amount of skill and vision. I doubt you can coach how he sees things. Really hope he sorts out his attitude and fitness, because he'd be world class.

arunspurs · Mar 8, 2020

Ndombele had a full preseason. He has worked under 2 manager for more than 3 months each. Number of games all competitions he has finished 90min is just 5 which includes 2 games against Belgrade, 1 against Norwich.

It is not just his fitness, its his willingness to wanting the ball. Yesterday, first half - he simply didnt want the ball. He didnt move into space to look & receive ball from our CBs - instead our CB had to go long to nobody ufront. 2nd half - changed with Lo Celso, taking charge.

From club point of view, I think we have given him a lot of rope and been lenient till now...But its high time, he starts showing he is good enough in the league especially when club needs him. I simply dont see the effort from his side.

He is certainly a world class talent - but that is a secondary for a team struggling with injuries like we are. I am certainly with Mourinho on this treatment - I am sure Jose has said same to him in private prior to this. He needs to come out of his comfort zone & show he cares.

allatsea · Mar 8, 2020

Thewobbler said:
Some of this vid is a bit shit quality but this is the game against norwich in the league and he looked good from the clips. If we can just get him up to the fitness required. The clip shows what he can do with the ball.

He has had plenty of time despite his regular injuries to get unto fitness but he isn't and neither does he put in the work required in modern day Premier League football. No doubting his talent but he needs to look at himself and put in the work necessary to be the best he can be.

pelayo59 · Mar 8, 2020

LeParisien said:
Yeh good point. Did Zidane ever publicly call Bale out like this ? Idk.

One important difference is that Zidane presided over 3 consecutive CL wins with Bale playing a crucial role in two of the finals. So Zidanes relationship with Bale might not have been happy but it was certainly effective.

Zidanes general handling of the dressing room at real has been exceptional, partly because he’s a bigger motherfucker than any of them and partly because he scored winning goals in a World Cup and champions league final. Mourinho didn’t command that respect (even if that was unfair). Zidane is a perfect fit for real.

Literally he said in press conference that will be better when Bale will leave?

Zidane: "Gareth Bale is very close to leaving. We hope he can leave soon, if he leaves tomorrow it'll be even better. We are working to finalise his move to a new team.”

CowInAComa · Mar 8, 2020

Ronwol196061 said:
Ndombele didnt play bad at all actually he played well.If Winks would have played like NDombele played there would have been oooos and arrrrrhhs from Winks supporters. The thing is with NDombele he is such a great player with the ball you just want more from him. He didnt venture up much probably told by Mourinho to stay more compact so he can conserve his energy and it also saved the embarrassment of him labouring back. Still he did play well enough except we needed a spark and I fully believe NDombele can produce it if Mourinho could find him cover while he went forward.
It's fine complaining about NDombele (I think he should get fitter or really working harder on defensive parts of his game) but we also lack game changers. We have very few and NDombele definately has the quality to be one

He didnt play any worse than winks might have played if he had played even though he didn't.

This is next level desperation.

doctor stefan Freud · Mar 8, 2020

Thewobbler said:
Some of this vid is a bit shit quality but this is the game against norwich in the league and he looked good from the clips. If we can just get him up to the fitness required. The clip shows what he can do with the ball.

If we can create a midfield 3 of a decent CDM, GLC and a motivated Ndombele for next season then we finally have a midfield capable of controlling games against any opposition

Ronwol196061 · Mar 8, 2020

CowInAComa said:
He didnt play any worse than winks might have played if he had played even though he didn't.

This is next level desperation.

What desperation?

Tucker · Mar 8, 2020

Didn’t think he was very good at all yesterday, he did show one or two moments of skill, but his passing was pretty poor, two or three times he sent the ball out to Vertonghen on the wing, but it ended up behind Jan who was forced to track back in order to keep possession, rather than being on the front foot and attack the box. Mourinho was right to call him out, he’s not had an impact, and you expect a big money signing to be at least putting in 7 out of 10 performances by now, and bare minimum lasting 90 minutes.

The lad needs to pull his finger out.

Ronwol196061 · Mar 8, 2020

Tucker said:
Didn’t think he was very good at all yesterday, he did show one or two moments of skill, but his passing was pretty poor, two or three times he sent the ball out to Vertonghen on the wing, but it ended up behind Jan who was forced to track back in order to keep possession, rather than being on the front foot and attack the box. Mourinho was right to call him out, he’s not had an impact, and you expect a big money signing to be at least putting in 7 out of 10 performances by now, and bare minimum lasting 90 minutes.

The lad needs to pull his finger out.

Did you see the way others played? Toby for instance or Sanchez. We lose the ball on a regular basis,can t even get it out of our half sometimes. Its been like that for a while. I wont say he played great yesterday but no worse than most of the others. The comment re his passes to Verts I cant remember 3 passes.Maybe one.

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