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TheVoiceofReason

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Obviously I don’t know the full story, but from what I can see, Jose is not handling the Ndombele situation well. He’s destroying his confidence, which is clearly low anyway, by humiliating him in public to excuse awful team performances, for which there are many culprits.

He’s done it before with Shaw and it didn’t work.

Don’t like the Parrott stuff either.
 

EastLondonYid

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You can flip that argument on its head, though. Being 5 CBs playing behind that little shielding, and being attackers who don't have a usual central point, and getting that little help, I mean that can't be easy, right?
Disjointed team, disjointed tactics and formation can't help, no fluid full backs, no hold up play, its a total fucked up mess, ndombele had issues, be it fitness, form or attitude, but the state we are in isn't helping. Imo
 

Ronwol196061

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Obviously I don’t know the full story, but from what I can see, Jose is not handling the Ndombele situation well. He’s destroying his confidence, which is clearly low anyway, by humiliating him in public to excuse awful team performances, for which there are many culprits.

He’s done it before with Shaw and it didn’t work.

Don’t like the Parrott stuff either.


You can read where I was saying that after he came but NDombele has to take responsibility. It's a partnership and he isnt keeping up his end
 

dagraham

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Obviously I don’t know the full story, but from what I can see, Jose is not handling the Ndombele situation well. He’s destroying his confidence, which is clearly low anyway, by humiliating him in public to excuse awful team performances, for which there are many culprits.

He’s done it before with Shaw and it didn’t work.

Don’t like the Parrott stuff either.

Yeah admittedly I’m not sure the calling out in public thing is going to work. Probably would have been best if he just left him out of the 18 man match day squad altogether until he pulls his finger out.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Disjointed team, disjointed tactics and formation can't help, no fluid full backs, no hold up play, its a total fucked up mess, ndombele had issues, be it fitness, form or attitude, but the state we are in isn't helping. Imo
I understand that's your opinion, I'm saying, is it the circumstances who aren't helping the player, or the player who isn't helping the circumstances? I don't know, but it is a teams sport. Usually an individual player doesn't sit around waiting for the circumstances to be to their liking.
 

BringBack_leGin

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I mean ... yes ? Dier has often lumbered around the pitch was though he were the only player immune to the fast forward button.

Very often over the past year he’s looked a long way off the pace.
He has looked off the place, but he has always tried his best regardless.

Dier is a player with limited ability, Ndombele with supreme talent, and I’ve been more patient with Ndombele than most but he deserves the criticism he’s getting. I say that despite how much I like him, whereas your making up an application/ effort issue with Dier because you dislike him.
 

scat1620

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No sympathy for Ndombele, he's our record transfer and reportedly earning as much as anyone else at the club, and it's about time he started fucking acting like it. People will say he has no control over his transfer fee and that's true, but I doubt very much that when it came time to negotiate his contract Levy went in all Peter Ridsdale/Seth Johnson-style and offered him £200k/week when Tanguy was expecting an offer of £40k/week. He's getting paid as much as Harry Kane because his agent demanded it in return for Ndombele signing as a Tottenham Hotspur player, so he should fucking well live up to his end of the deal and put in as much effort into being the best player he can be as Harry Kane has always done for us.

He clearly isn't doing that at the moment, and Jose is quite right to call him out on it. Ndombele is mugging us all off at the moment and needs to start earning his fucking pay packet, given that it's he and his agent who will have demanded the kind of wages that make him the joint-top earner at the club, not anybody else.
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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So why did he claim to have learned lessons if those lessons are fundamentally opposed to his leadership style?

Hes an intelligent man and can do better.
Addicts kid themselves that they can change all the time. Jose is a confrontation addict.
 

adamsky

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No sympathy for Ndombele, he's our record transfer and reportedly earning as much as anyone else at the club, and it's about time he started fucking acting like it. People will say he has no control over his transfer fee and that's true, but I doubt very much that when it came time to negotiate his contract Levy went in all Peter Ridsdale/Seth Johnson-style and offered him £200k/week when Tanguy was expecting an offer of £40k/week. He's getting paid as much as Harry Kane because his agent demanded it in return for Ndombele signing as a Tottenham Hotspur player, so he should fucking well live up to his end of the deal and put in as much effort into being the best player he can be as Harry Kane has always done for us.

He clearly isn't doing that at the moment, and Jose is quite right to call him out on it. Ndombele is mugging us all off at the moment and needs to start earning his fucking pay packet, given that it's he and his agent who will have demanded the kind of wages that make him the joint-top earner at the club, not anybody else.
Think Mourinho is mugging us off as much as Ndombele when it comes to wages. We seem to have to change tactics halfway through every game, why do we never set up right from the start?
 
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Think Mourinho is mugging us off as much as Ndombele when it comes to wages. We seem to have to change tactics halfway through every game, why do we never set up eight from the start?
Been like it the entire season - it's not just Mourinho mate.
 

Hugh DeMann

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Lo Celso is an interesting comparison. He's playing in the same disjointed team but is still showing his class.

Ndombele will have different problems and factors influencing his performances but he has to be careful that his body language does not turn the crowd against him.

I think Jose should play him in the second half more so that he knows he can go all out for 45 mins. I'm sure that's overly simplistic but we need to be savvy on helping the crowd get behind him after some frustrating injuries.
 

stevenurse

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May 14, 2007
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He was brought in as our big name, record signing with high hopes and the dembele replacement we've all seen.

So far hes produced close to fuck all. Those excusing him because its a new league etc are being shown up by the way Lo Celso has applied himself and he didnt get any pre season.

Jose has clearly had enough of his shit and is rightly calling him out. He did the same with Lo Celso remember and he responded brilliantly. Lets hope he gets the same reaction from Tanguy, because the being soft approach hasnt worked
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Obviously I don’t know the full story, but from what I can see, Jose is not handling the Ndombele situation well. He’s destroying his confidence, which is clearly low anyway, by humiliating him in public to excuse awful team performances, for which there are many culprits.

He’s done it before with Shaw and it didn’t work.

Don’t like the Parrott stuff either.
You what?

How is he destroying his confidence?

The guy has been putting little to no effort in in any of the games he’s played, Mourinho has publicly stated previously that his desire would be to build around Ndombele. He’s praised his talent on numerous occasions and this is the first time he’s called him out. If you’re going to read between the lines here, the most plausible reason for him coming out now is because he’s tried everything else.
 

stevenurse

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Lo Celso is an interesting comparison. He's playing in the same disjointed team but is still showing his class.

Ndombele will have different problems and factors influencing his performances but he has to be careful that his body language does not turn the crowd against him.

I think Jose should play him in the second half more so that he knows he can go all out for 45 mins. I'm sure that's overly simplistic but we need to be savvy on helping the crowd get behind him after some frustrating injuries.

Difference being, if we switch the performances of the halves, why would you have changed it just to accommodate him? He cant dictate when he plays because he's not up to playing 90.
 

@Bobby__Lucky

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He’s right that he’s got to give more, but calling out players like that in public doesn’t work anymore. All it does is have them straight on to their agent looking for an exit door.

Thats good then. Whilst I love his potential, I would be happy for him to leave.
 

funkycoldmedina

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Jun 20, 2004
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What boils my piss about Mourinho is he has to do the dirty washing in public. Manage him behind the scenes, if you can't get a tune out of him then move him on. That's what the best in last 30 years used to do, Ferguson.
Digging a player out in public is the lowest common denominator which none of the true great managers have ever done.
 

Spurs_Bear

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Obviously I don’t know the full story, but from what I can see, Jose is not handling the Ndombele situation well. He’s destroying his confidence, which is clearly low anyway, by humiliating him in public to excuse awful team performances, for which there are many culprits.

He’s done it before with Shaw and it didn’t work.

Don’t like the Parrott stuff either.

FREE PASS @Spurrific
 

LeParisien

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Mar 5, 2018
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No sympathy for Ndombele, he's our record transfer and reportedly earning as much as anyone else at the club, and it's about time he started fucking acting like it. People will say he has no control over his transfer fee and that's true, but I doubt very much that when it came time to negotiate his contract Levy went in all Peter Ridsdale/Seth Johnson-style and offered him £200k/week when Tanguy was expecting an offer of £40k/week. He's getting paid as much as Harry Kane because his agent demanded it in return for Ndombele signing as a Tottenham Hotspur player, so he should fucking well live up to his end of the deal and put in as much effort into being the best player he can be as Harry Kane has always done for us.

He clearly isn't doing that at the moment, and Jose is quite right to call him out on it. Ndombele is mugging us all off at the moment and needs to start earning his fucking pay packet, given that it's he and his agent who will have demanded the kind of wages that make him the joint-top earner at the club, not anybody else.
I don’t agree with your angle on his contract but even if all that is true... it does not make a case for calling Ndombele out so publicly and so harshly.

He’s scapegoating him. And using players as collateral will not end well for Jose or the club in the long term. Particularly when we can all see how shit he’s playing. A manager is not a mouthpiece for the fans rightful indignation. His job is to get peak performance out of him and I am doubtful this will work in the short term.
 

fuzzylogic

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I’m gonna throw this out and probably will get a few dislikes but it’s my opinion. He’s out of shape! Yup I know he’s been injured and has had limited game time recently but he’s a professional athlete. Lo celso has had limited time when he first came to us but he’s worked his ass off and is rightly one of the first names on the team sheet. It’s great having all the talent in the world but until that penny drops mentally there’s very little you can do. Someone has to call him out, the mollycoddling building a team around him line didn’t work.
 

Stamford

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Obviously I don’t know the full story, but from what I can see, Jose is not handling the Ndombele situation well. He’s destroying his confidence, which is clearly low anyway, by humiliating him in public to excuse awful team performances, for which there are many culprits.

He’s done it before with Shaw and it didn’t work.

Don’t like the Parrott stuff either.

The players have to take some responsibility too. Ndombele has had more than enough chances, it's now March
 
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