Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

paulcumpstone · Mar 7, 2020

Was he any worse than anyone else first half, thought the system change made more of difference than the personnel personally at halftime but no doubt he has been a serious flop this season.

buckley · Mar 7, 2020

So while I agree the tactics or more likely the players were wrong in the first half to put this mans performance down to the managers or tactics is simply not right or fair . His passing and ball retention which has nothing to do with team selection or tactics he was just not up to it and I think most of us have come to the conclusion that as of this moment in time we have a dud on our collective hands .
Lets hope he can turn things around for the good of the club / fans / team .
Please don't give this guy false excuses for such performances .

danielneeds · Mar 7, 2020

LeParisien said:
Publicly calling players out so aggressively does not typically lead to improved performance.

When Mourinho joined he made a big song and a dance about the fact he had reflected a lot and changed some of his ways. Not much evidence of that. It was widely taken to mean his treatment of players. It sees he has forgotten whatever he learned...

‘Ndombele ain’t been great but the most effective managers this decade have not called players out like this.

The problem is that Mourinho’s whole approach to man management is based on the doctrine of “confrontational leadership”. It’s not something he can just change without ripping up his entire style.

Univarn · Mar 7, 2020

This argument we are having here is exactly what Mourinho wants. Man got absolutely dunked on by Dyche and Burnley, especially in that first half, but used Ndombele as a scapegoat. So here we are.

dagraham · Mar 7, 2020

Ronwol196061 said:
He is living in Sissokos house. Sissoko is the hardest worker on the team. Somebody should ask Sissoko what's up with NDombele

Do you think Sissoko is a “feeder”?

LeParisien · Mar 7, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
Jose protects players who deserve it and tells it like it is when they don’t. See Ndombele v Dier, Parrott v Skipp, etc.

Dier has been absolutely dreadful for a long while. Today was his best performance for a while. His injury problems cannot be mitigation in that comparison...

Unless only some people worthy of defending when injured?

BringBack_leGin · Mar 7, 2020

LeParisien said:
Dier has been absolutely dreadful for a long while. Today was his best performance for a while. His injury problems cannot be mitigation in that comparison...

Unless only some people worthy of defending when injured?

But can you even once accuse Dier of giving less than his biggest effort or showing unprofessional levels of fitness?

Poor form and poor application are very different things.

LeParisien · Mar 7, 2020

danielneeds said:
The problem is that Mourinho’s whole approach to man management is based on the doctrine of “confrontational leadership”. It’s not something he can just change without ripping up his entire style.

So why did he claim to have learned lessons if those lessons are fundamentally opposed to his leadership style?

Hes an intelligent man and can do better.

Thewobbler · Mar 7, 2020

LeParisien said:
He’s been disappointing but let’s not pretend he hasn’t grown since he was 17 years old. That article is trying to create a narrative of a player making an extreme, sudden and unlikely rise to play for a top club. Plenty of his coaches are full of praise for his attitude since.

As Mourinho said, plenty of players have struggled in their first season in the PL.

I accept hes struggling but hes being lazy which unacceptable.

spurs mental · Mar 7, 2020

LeParisien said:
Dier has been absolutely dreadful for a long while. Today was his best performance for a while. His injury problems cannot be mitigation in that comparison...

Unless only some people worthy of defending when injured?

He was very solid mid week too.

double0 · Mar 7, 2020

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
The only thing you can criticise Jose for in that interview was the fact he said it so publicly. Otherwise everything he said was correct? I love Ndombele and I think if he got fit he’d be one of the best in Europe. That’s where Jose’s frustration stems from. He’s looking for a reaction.

Do you put the first half performance down to Ndombele and the second half performance down to Lo Celso.

Mourinho is being very devisive its so unnecessary.

double0 · Mar 7, 2020

Thewobbler said:
I accept hes struggling but hes being lazy which unacceptable.

How was he being lazy? Seriously

adamsky · Mar 7, 2020

Really didn’t think he was biggest culprit for that first half performance, no one played well. Actually thought he was the only one who showed any quality at all. Think it is a bit harsh to call him out after playing him in a 2 with Skipp, they were totally out numbered

LeParisien · Mar 7, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
But can you even once accuse Dier of giving less than his biggest effort or showing unprofessional levels of fitness?

Poor form and poor application are very different things.

I mean ... yes ? Dier has often lumbered around the pitch was though he were the only player immune to the fast forward button.

Very often over the past year he’s looked a long way off the pace.

Everlasting Seconds · Mar 7, 2020

EastLondonYid said:
Playing in front of five CH, s and behind zero forwards isn't gonna help,

You can flip that argument on its head, though. Being 5 CBs playing behind that little shielding, and being attackers who don't have a usual central point, and getting that little help, I mean that can't be easy, right?

LeParisien · Mar 7, 2020

spurs mental said:
He was very solid mid week too.

I didn’t see that game - fair enough.

He’s been bad for a long while now so I’d be delighted if he’s finding form again. Just thought he of all players was a funny one to be immune from criticism.

I think the difference in treatment is that Mourinho believes Ndombele is capable of better. Skipp for thé moment isn’t. Dier - let’s be pleased with anything we can get out of him for the moment. Might be hit with a big ban anyway.

Jamturk · Mar 7, 2020

adamsky said:
Really didn’t think he was biggest culprit for that first half performance, no one played well. Actually thought he was the only one who showed any quality at all. Think it is a bit harsh to call him out after playing him in a 2 with Skipp, they were totally out numbered

Exactly this.

Which is why he pushed Dier into the midfield for the 2nd half.

Lo Celso played well but I also think Ndombele would have improved if allowed this luxury.

Ronwol196061 · Mar 7, 2020

dagraham said:
Do you think Sissoko is a “feeder”?

No I think NDombele does the midnight run to the fridge doing twists and turns and rabona,just missing the couch swerving past the kitchen table,avoiding the tackle
Its thought for food anyway

Ronwol196061 · Mar 7, 2020

spurs mental said:
The answer is in a pizza box currently on the way to Sissokos house.

The man who cant kick a ball somehow can run all the way up the field with it and come back to tackle the left winger and still have the energy to tell Ndombele to come back

spurs mental · Mar 7, 2020

LeParisien said:
I didn’t see that game - fair enough.

He’s been bad for a long while now so I’d be delighted if he’s finding form again. Just thought he of all players was a funny one to be immune from criticism.

I think the difference in treatment is that Mourinho believes Ndombele is capable of better. Skipp for thé moment isn’t. Dier - let’s be pleased with anything we can get out of him for the moment. Might be hit with a big ban anyway.

He clearly has talent and Jose has alluded to it. The issue is that he clearly isn't applying himself correctly either in games or in training. Hes basically needs to be like Sissoko and just work his arse off to prove himself. If he can do that he will be amazing. The question is whether he has that mentality or not.

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