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Man City [Now Not] Banned From UCL For 2 years

King of Otters

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This. If UEFA's punishment doesn't stick then FFP is dead and it gives a green light to any other club to systematically cheat. Man City agreed to the regulations then set up a network of ways for the owners to inject funding through the side door. Maybe they went for a 2yr ban knowing it can be cut in half and still hurt them.

This part:


They've sold stakes to various people, bought clubs across the world, and in some cases used the accounts of the other clubs to offset City's losses.

Ignore that it's from a Liverpool account, it's a good link to Der Spiegel's investigation:


They aimed to be sustainable, they told fans and the league that, and this year made a before tax profit of just 10m according to this: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...guide-2017-18-accounts-manchester-united-city

Not to mention they (and PSG) have already negotiated settlements to avoid exclusion from the Champions League. Imagine the losses if they hadn't been cheating. A lack of CL money and not being able to count on the dodgy sponsorships would, as the F365 piece says, 'force a realigning of their finances to avoid running into potential further FFP problems.' This has been going on for years. In that time they have won almost everything. All of those records are now like baseball's home run hitters and should have an asterisk next to them.

If they get away with it then the game is truly dead.


Well, FFP will be dead. The game itself will be no worse than it is already.
 

rez9000

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I'm saying its irrelevant as we have to focus on winning every game possible. Its upto those governing the game to deem it acceptable or not!
What the hell are you talking about? Not all of us are viewing this through the prism of whether it affects our qualification for the Champions League. Some of us have issues with Man City's ownership and governance regardless of how that affects us.

And if some do choose to focus on the effect it has on us, whether that's relevant or not isn't for you to decide. If you don't want to debate the issue, you could at least refrain from telling those of us who do what we can and can't discuss...

As for your "point", I rather think the governing bodies have decided whether it's acceptable or not, hence the punishment they have doled out. Or are you suggesting some Minority Report-style system that foretells the infractions before they occur and so hands out pre-emptive punishments...?
 

jay2040

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What the hell are you talking about? Not all of us are viewing this through the prism of whether it affects our qualification for the Champions League. Some of us have issues with Man City's ownership and governance regardless of how that affects us.

And if some do choose to focus on the effect it has on us, whether that's relevant or not isn't for you to decide. If you don't want to debate the issue, you could at least refrain from telling those of us who do what we can and can't discuss...

As for your "point", I rather think the governing bodies have decided whether it's acceptable or not, hence the punishment they have doled out. Or are you suggesting some Minority Report-style system that foretells the infractions before they occur and so hands out pre-emptive punishments...?

You seem to be misreading my post. I never said dont debate it. You read into it what you wanted. If you want to debate it then knock yourself out.

In my view its irrelevant and it's my view which I dont impose on others.
 

Shadydan

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This just serves as a reminder that, regardless of what they have won over the past decade, Manchester City are still just a small local club cheating their way to the top table with steroids. Even when some of the best football the country has ever been seen was being played at their stadium, there were still thousands of empty seats every week. Through the most in-your-face, dodgy, corrupt practices, a family with a long list of human rights abuses directly attributed to their names has turned them into their plaything, without a care in the world for who else they have screwed over along the way.

If we look at Tottenham alone, our past decade could have been very different had City (and Chelsea before them) not won the lottery. Ten years ago, Levy's first vision was finally coming to fruition, we had an emerging young side of talented players that played good football, assembled through intelligent scouting and careful budget planning. Modric, Bale, Lennon, Defoe, King, Dawson, Huddlestone, Rose and even a teenage Harry Kane - the foundations were there to build a top side for the next few years. We had been camped outside the gates of the Champions League for years, biding our time, waiting for one of the old "big four" to blink and drop out. Finally - Liverpool did, they made some terrible decisions on and off the pitch from 2008-2010 and their team fell to pieces. It should have been our moment to capitalise. It should have been our turn. But instead, this small local club who had already tried selling their soul and dignity to a disgraced Thai politician, suddenly muscled their way in ahead of us. Who knows how things could have turned out differently for us if Man City's squad was still made up of players of the calibre of Emile Mpenza and Rolando Bianchi. Logically, we'd have been looking at four more Champions League qualifications over the past decade just by virtue of having finished one place behind those who did qualify with City occupying one of those four places. Think what that extra exposure and revenue (especially pre-stadium construction) could have meant for us at that point. Would Modric and Bale's heads have been turned as quickly as they were if we'd been Champions League regulars? What if we'd actually been able to sign players like Craig Bellamy, Gareth Barry and Sergio Aguero, all of which we bid for, only to be completely blown out of the water by ridiculous offers of money from Man City? What if this hadn't had the knock on effect to distort the market, where agents representing our transfer targets saw this kind of activity from City and decided that therefore, their players were "worth" way more in wages than they actually were? What if, at the time we finally had a side that looked good enough to win the league, Kyle Walker hadn't received a "treble your money" offer from them?

We tried to do things by the book. Fairly, ethically, morally - the right way that every club should be proud of. And City came along with their financial doping and spoilt it. They might not have directly knocked us out of any cups, or beaten us in the two title races we were involved in. But make no mistake, this behaviour from Man City has had a huge hindrance on our fortunes over the past decade. And for that reason, I am over the moon with this ruling. Fuck Manchester City, fuck their spoilt and tiny fan base and fuck their evil owners - you have had it coming and quite frankly you have gotten off lightly.

You made it on Twitter

 

rez9000

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You seem to be misreading my post. I never said dont debate it. You read into it what you wanted. If you want to debate it then knock yourself out.

In my view its irrelevant and it's my view which I dont impose on others.
Yeah, cause your use of language and then criticising someone's ability to quote (even though removing a word from a quote actually isn't an error) is you not imposing yourself on anyone. OK. Understood.
 

jay2040

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Yeah, cause your use of language and then criticising someone's ability to quote (even though removing a word from a quote actually isn't an error) is you not imposing yourself on anyone. OK. Understood.

It was not a criticism buddy. The omission of the word 'much' has an impact on your statement, as you imply that there will be some financial impact- 'it wont make much financial impact' where as I said it would make fuck all impact- which is no financial impact! Pedantic- probably!

We can agree that it was a great result today!
 

rez9000

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It was not a criticism buddy. The omission of the word 'much' has an impact on your statement, as you imply that there will be some financial impact- 'it wont make much financial impact' where as I said it would make fuck all impact- which is no financial impact! Pedantic- probably!

We can agree that it was a great result today!
On that we can agree.
 

buckley

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I am not going to say city is the reason we did not win anything in their rise as it will not be accepted as an excuse by our rivals.
What i believe is true tho is the teams beaten home and away by city and lost out on Europa or champions league places have a genuine grouse as do relegated teams beaten home and away in a relegation season as City have distorted the competition .
I just wish FFP was in play the day Abramovich came on the scene .
 

Woodyy

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Christ, after reading all the back-story to this there should be no way they get away with it. That 2 year ban should stand and the FA need to come in with their own sanctions as well, PSG need a similar punishment. Those two teams need to be smacked back down into irrelevance.
 

philll

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I have taken cocaine.
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Dov67

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Best bet i believe, is that City drag it out as long as possible and actually play in next seasons CL, which gives them time to adjust

CAS rules against but reduces the ban to 1 year

The Prem League deduct point this year, city don't appeal because the league is gone, unless the point deduction takes them out of the top 4

but that's just the cynic in me
 

SirHarryHotspur

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Unfortunately under previous owners we were also guilty of financial mischief https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994–95_Tottenham_Hotspur_F.C._season , but by the sound of it City's dealings are on a different level.
Sugar took court action and got a FA Cup ban and 12 point deduction changed to a larger fine.
If the City case does go to Swiss Federal Supreme Court could go either was as in past they have ruled both in favour and against CAS .
 
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mano-obe

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I think the appeal will work in their favour, they will probably be reinstated to the champions league and slapped with a heftier fine, possibly a transfer ban for 18 months too.
 

King of Otters

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This just serves as a reminder that, regardless of what they have won over the past decade, Manchester City are still just a small local club cheating their way to the top table with steroids. Even when some of the best football the country has ever been seen was being played at their stadium, there were still thousands of empty seats every week. Through the most in-your-face, dodgy, corrupt practices, a family with a long list of human rights abuses directly attributed to their names has turned them into their plaything, without a care in the world for who else they have screwed over along the way.

If we look at Tottenham alone, our past decade could have been very different had City (and Chelsea before them) not won the lottery. Ten years ago, Levy's first vision was finally coming to fruition, we had an emerging young side of talented players that played good football, assembled through intelligent scouting and careful budget planning. Modric, Bale, Lennon, Defoe, King, Dawson, Huddlestone, Rose and even a teenage Harry Kane - the foundations were there to build a top side for the next few years. We had been camped outside the gates of the Champions League for years, biding our time, waiting for one of the old "big four" to blink and drop out. Finally - Liverpool did, they made some terrible decisions on and off the pitch from 2008-2010 and their team fell to pieces. It should have been our moment to capitalise. It should have been our turn. But instead, this small local club who had already tried selling their soul and dignity to a disgraced Thai politician, suddenly muscled their way in ahead of us. Who knows how things could have turned out differently for us if Man City's squad was still made up of players of the calibre of Emile Mpenza and Rolando Bianchi. Logically, we'd have been looking at four more Champions League qualifications over the past decade just by virtue of having finished one place behind those who did qualify with City occupying one of those four places. Think what that extra exposure and revenue (especially pre-stadium construction) could have meant for us at that point. Would Modric and Bale's heads have been turned as quickly as they were if we'd been Champions League regulars? What if we'd actually been able to sign players like Craig Bellamy, Gareth Barry and Sergio Aguero, all of which we bid for, only to be completely blown out of the water by ridiculous offers of money from Man City? What if this hadn't had the knock on effect to distort the market, where agents representing our transfer targets saw this kind of activity from City and decided that therefore, their players were "worth" way more in wages than they actually were? What if, at the time we finally had a side that looked good enough to win the league, Kyle Walker hadn't received a "treble your money" offer from them?

We tried to do things by the book. Fairly, ethically, morally - the right way that every club should be proud of. And City came along with their financial doping and spoilt it. They might not have directly knocked us out of any cups, or beaten us in the two title races we were involved in. But make no mistake, this behaviour from Man City has had a huge hindrance on our fortunes over the past decade. And for that reason, I am over the moon with this ruling. Fuck Manchester City, fuck their spoilt and tiny fan base and fuck their evil owners - you have had it coming and quite frankly you have gotten off lightly.

Great post, and you’re not wrong at all, but City also helped to weaken our rivals, Liverpool and Arsenal in particular, by unsettling and cherry picking their players.

We also benefited from City finishing ahead of those clubs, and basically shattering the ‘big 4’ in a way that Levy’s ten year plan strategy never would have.
 
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