What's new

Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

wrd

Well-Known Member
Aug 22, 2014
13,603
58,005

He was never going to say the players he had at his disposel were not to his liking was he once the window closed. He also kept saying that there were problems that needed to be fixed once the euro window closes i.e the likes of the players leaving who wanted to leave and then he had to pretend that the window closing fixed everything. Only for his emotions to get the better off him after the bayern tonking and say that we needed Jan to arrive before we could sort things out.

Well Jan is here, he no longer is and the issues are still no closer to being resolved. The great thing about Jose is he doesn't ever mince his words and says exactly what he wants so when it does or does not happen we know where we stand.
 

For the love of Spurs

Well-Known Member
Mar 28, 2015
3,444
11,252
There is fuck all point bringing a manager of Mourinho's standing to the football club and then not offering him some backing in the areas with the most glaringly obvious holes.

Again, it's fucking laughable.

Alluding to a few posts I read earlier on this site I get the feeling Levy thought that the squad was perfectly fine just that Poch and the divisions in the squad where the problem.

Thus if we bring in a another top manager it will fix very quickly without the need for large investment when in reality the main issue was the squad itself.

Like everyone else on this forum that's just my feeling/opinion on the situation but if it’s correct and Levy expects Mourinho just to work with what he has mostly I can’t see a happy ending.

On the other hand if Levy did agree the squad was not right and simply wanted Mourinho to be at the forefront of a rebuild then there will be light at the end of the tunnel.
 

dudu

Well-Known Member
Jan 28, 2011
5,314
11,048
Alluding to a few posts I read earlier on this site I get the feeling Levy thought that the squad was perfectly fine just that Poch and the divisions in the squad where the problem.

Thus if we bring in a another top manager it will fix very quickly without the need for large investment when in reality the main issue was the squad itself.

Like everyone else on this forum that's just my feeling/opinion on the situation but if it’s correct and Levy expects Mourinho just to work with what he has mostly I can’t see a happy ending.

On the other hand if Levy did agree the squad was not right and simply wanted Mourinho to be at the forefront of a rebuild then there will be light at the end of the tunnel.

I am sure I read that Mourinho did his due diligence and gave Levy a dossier on what he thought he would need to improve us. He hasn't come into this cold. And surely Levy's opinion on what the squad needs is based on what the manager tells him? If he thinks that the squad only needs X or Y then that's because someone has surely told him not because he has been down to the training ground and assumed for himself.

Levy would also have known exactly the problems with players out of contract.

Maybe Poch thought Ndombele was going to be the answer to our DM issue, as he was going to mould him into that position.

Ultimately, this whole situation is so much more complex than people are making out and there is plenty of blame to go around multiple people.
 

RichieS

Well-Known Member
Dec 23, 2004
11,916
16,436
Players I think we know Pochettino wanted compared to those he got in their place.

Schneiderlin Stambouli
Musacchio Fazio
Wanyama Wanyama
Janssen Janssen
Mané Sissoko
Pereira Aurier
Foyth Foyth
de Jong No-one
Ndombele Ndombele (a season later)
Barkley Lo Celso? (a season later)

Not backed?
@hakano - this was genuine attempt to recollect information we had from various sources over the years. Anything you can add/change would be appreciated.
 

Japhet

Well-Known Member
Aug 30, 2010
19,232
57,391
I think Jose has seen that the midfielders at his disposal means he cannot build from the back. We can't play a defensive lineup as we'll lose the midfield battle, lack protection for the defence and we'll get outplayed and struggle.

So he has played our ball players but we are not good enough to dominate a game.

At the moment we are a mess. Dier and Sissoko are not good enough to play the defensive mid role, Wanyama is injured and almost certainly not coming back and our other midfield options can't play the role.

It is a tough time but Jose is not the cause and no manager would resolve the issues within a few months.

I'm still baffled as to why Skipp has been continually overlooked. He was very good in pre-season and did pretty well when Poch used him too. Mourinho seems intent on using 'his' system even if we don't have the players for it, although having said that he's thrown a few more bodies into midfield v Livepool and Watford and we've been quite a bit more solid. As I said, I'd have liked to have seen Skipp get a run out at least, but this is Mourinho and he hardly ever trusts young, inexperienced players. Maybe he's learned something from Tanganga but I'm not holding my breath.
 

dudu

Well-Known Member
Jan 28, 2011
5,314
11,048
I'm still baffled as to why Skipp has been continually overlooked. He was very good in pre-season and did pretty well when Poch used him too. Mourinho seems intent on using 'his' system even if we don't have the players for it, although having said that he's thrown a few more bodies into midfield v Livepool and Watford and we've been quite a bit more solid. As I said, I'd have liked to have seen Skipp get a run out at least, but this is Mourinho and he hardly ever trusts young, inexperienced players. Maybe he's learned something from Tanganga but I'm not holding my breath.

Perhaps he just doesn't trust as much in Skipp as you. Surely if he had been tearing it up in training and showing the Manager he has to play him then he would have had more game time?
 

dontcallme

SC Supporter
Mar 18, 2005
33,986
81,916
I'm still baffled as to why Skipp has been continually overlooked. He was very good in pre-season and did pretty well when Poch used him too. Mourinho seems intent on using 'his' system even if we don't have the players for it, although having said that he's thrown a few more bodies into midfield v Livepool and Watford and we've been quite a bit more solid. As I said, I'd have liked to have seen Skipp get a run out at least, but this is Mourinho and he hardly ever trusts young, inexperienced players. Maybe he's learned something from Tanganga but I'm not holding my breath.
Think you have provided your own argument. Jose will play a young player he believes can perform. The fact he isn't playing Skipp is not simply because Jose doesn't promote youth.
 

BringBack_leGin

Well-Known Member
Jul 28, 2004
27,719
54,929
I'm still baffled as to why Skipp has been continually overlooked. He was very good in pre-season and did pretty well when Poch used him too. Mourinho seems intent on using 'his' system even if we don't have the players for it, although having said that he's thrown a few more bodies into midfield v Livepool and Watford and we've been quite a bit more solid. As I said, I'd have liked to have seen Skipp get a run out at least, but this is Mourinho and he hardly ever trusts young, inexperienced players. Maybe he's learned something from Tanganga but I'm not holding my breath.
Think you have provided your own argument. Jose will play a young player he believes can perform. The fact he isn't playing Skipp is not simply because Jose doesn't promote youth.

Surely it says everything we need to know when he’s picked Tanganga and trusts him despite having had almost every competitor for his preferred positions available, whereas we’ve been bare bones in Skipp’s position and he can’t get a game.
 

Japhet

Well-Known Member
Aug 30, 2010
19,232
57,391
Think you have provided your own argument. Jose will play a young player he believes can perform. The fact he isn't playing Skipp is not simply because Jose doesn't promote youth.

I think it's a bit of both really. I think Tanganga got the nod because Mourinho was terrified of the pace of Liverpool's front 3, especially against Vertonghen. Having given him a chance he's now realised that the kid can play. On the other hand, he persisted with Dier when he was very, very poor (IMO because he's experienced and a senior player) but unceremoniously binned Foyth off the back of 1 mistake in a match where he otherwise played pretty well. It is Mourinho's template which is why I'm not surprised.
 

dontcallme

SC Supporter
Mar 18, 2005
33,986
81,916
I think it's a bit of both really. I think Tanganga got the nod because Mourinho was terrified of the pace of Liverpool's front 3, especially against Vertonghen. Having given him a chance he's now realised that the kid can play. On the other hand, he persisted with Dier when he was very, very poor (IMO because he's experienced and a senior player) but unceremoniously binned Foyth off the back of 1 mistake in a match where he otherwise played pretty well. It is Mourinho's template which is why I'm not surprised.
So when Jose plays a youngster it is because he is terrified but when he doesn't it's because he doesn't promote youth.

This is the problem when people have a negative view on someone. They just twist everything they do into a negative.
 

doctor stefan Freud

the tired tread of sad biology
Sep 2, 2013
15,170
72,169
I think it's a bit of both really. I think Tanganga got the nod because Mourinho was terrified of the pace of Liverpool's front 3, especially against Vertonghen. Having given him a chance he's now realised that the kid can play. On the other hand, he persisted with Dier when he was very, very poor (IMO because he's experienced and a senior player) but unceremoniously binned Foyth off the back of 1 mistake in a match where he otherwise played pretty well. It is Mourinho's template which is why I'm not surprised.
All reasonable points but I’d say he’s become more ruthless about Dier recently. The problem is, we clearly need a DM to shield the defence and initiate counterattacks but we just don’t have that player and I’d imagine Mourinho hoped he’d get the Dier of a few years ago but that just doesn’t exist anymore
 

Japhet

Well-Known Member
Aug 30, 2010
19,232
57,391
So when Jose plays a youngster it is because he is terrified but when he doesn't it's because he doesn't promote youth.

This is the problem when people have a negative view on someone. They just twist everything they do into a negative.

I think he was absolutely right to be worried about Livepool's pace up front - only a fool wouldn't be. That isn't twisting something into a negative.
 

HW61

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
680
3,620
All reasonable points but I’d say he’s become more ruthless about Dier recently. The problem is, we clearly need a DM to shield the defence and initiate counterattacks but we just don’t have that player and I’d imagine Mourinho hoped he’d get the Dier of a few years ago but that just doesn’t exist anymore
I’m sure JM fully recognises this. As much as it’s currently the most important position we need to rectify, if the right player isn’t available in January the worst thing to do is over pay for a average solution. I trust JM will know exactly who we need and the likely price we’ll need to pay. Far prefer to wait for that rather than divert already very restrictive funds and a place in the squad to a player who’ll need to be offloaded in a year or two because he was too average for a team that wants to win things.

In the meantime the coaching team have to plug the holes in the squad, try different things and hope it works more often than not.
 

Wheeler Dealer

Well-Known Member
Jul 29, 2011
6,863
12,282
So when Jose plays a youngster it is because he is terrified but when he doesn't it's because he doesn't promote youth.

This is the problem when people have a negative view on someone. They just twist everything they do into a negative.

The problem with Mourinho is that comes with lots of baggage, both positive and negative due to his high profile and teams he's managed / mis-managed. He definitely doesn't fly under the radar, but more straight at it, and his divisive nature makes him a Marmite individual, hence the negative perception from some, but not all.
 
Top