Jose Mourinho

GutBucket · Jan 18, 2020

JayB said:
I get the feeling that Levy believed the squad was good enough and that all had gone wrong was the divide within the dressing room. As though he were in total denial that the summer 2018 and January 2019 transfer windows destroyed the project. It should be perfectly fucking clear to him now that it is his own neglect of the squad, not something wrong with the manager, that is to blame for our precipitous decline. Yet he'll do nothing about it.

He will convince himself that this season is all Pochettino's fault, because of him they were too tired and demotivated. Next season will be Mourinho's fault then it will be Nagelsmann's then somebody else's etc...

tototoner · Jan 18, 2020

Supposed to make us hard to beat, only succeeded so far in making us hard to watch

WiganSpur · Jan 18, 2020

tototoner said:
Supposed to make us hard to beat, only succeeded so far in making us hard to watch

Just give it time ffs

Deleted member 27995 · Jan 18, 2020

tototoner said:
Supposed to make us hard to beat, only succeeded so far in making us hard to watch

Such a horrid take and the fact someone agrees with you just shows you the levels on here at the moment from some fans.

dontcallme · Jan 18, 2020

tototoner said:
Supposed to make us hard to beat, only succeeded so far in making us hard to watch

I think Jose has seen that the midfielders at his disposal means he cannot build from the back. We can't play a defensive lineup as we'll lose the midfield battle, lack protection for the defence and we'll get outplayed and struggle.

So he has played our ball players but we are not good enough to dominate a game.

At the moment we are a mess. Dier and Sissoko are not good enough to play the defensive mid role, Wanyama is injured and almost certainly not coming back and our other midfield options can't play the role.

It is a tough time but Jose is not the cause and no manager would resolve the issues within a few months.

SpunkyBackpack · Jan 18, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
Such a horrid take and the fact someone agrees with you just shows you the levels on here at the moment from some fans.

The post with the most likes and winners ratings all day is some rant about Levy because he 'has the feeling' it's all his fault. I've got the feeling my nan's cat knows all my secrets but i sure as hell don't post about it on here as fact.

0-Tibsy-0 · Jan 18, 2020

tototoner said:
Supposed to make us hard to beat, only succeeded so far in making us hard to watch

Can’t argue with this one little bit.

13VanDerBale13 · Jan 18, 2020

He can only work with what’s at his disposal, & right now that’s not much is it, he needs help from the board, otherwise except same results

Wsussexspur · Jan 18, 2020

When you bring a manager like Jose into the club you have to back him in the transfer market. Particularly in our situation where it is blaitenly obvious that our squad is in need of a overhaul. But yet we are in a situation again where Daniel Levy/Enic are failing to back the manager.
I fully appreciate that January is a shitty time to do business and that you end up over spending on players. But unfortunately due the negligence over the past two years in the transfer market we have been left with gapping holes in our squad partially in midfield and at right back and now we need a striker. IF Daniel Levy is serious about finishing in the top 4 or at least having a decent run to the end of the season which will lift some of the negative feeling that surrounds the club at the moment and hopefully build momentum into next season then he needs to swallow his pride and accept that he has to pay over the odds for the players to fill these three key positions.

Sadly it seems that he is just interested in making a profit and therefor refusing to spend any money..This bollocks of loans with no options is just not good enough! You will not get any decent players in this way!

If this continues id be amazed if Jose is still with us in 12 months time. I think Jose has now realised that the squad isn't good enough to compete for the top 4 and needs a big overhaul. Thing is for Jose this is a free hit in away as he can just turn around and say well I wasn't backed in the transfer market by Daniel Levy.

I just don't fully understand what's in it for Daniel Levy though appointing a manager like Jose who will be on big wages and then not backing him in the transfer market just doesn't make any sense to me.

dontcallme · Jan 18, 2020

Wsussexspur said:
When you bring a manager like Jose into the club you have to back him in the transfer market. Particularly in our situation where it is blaitenly obvious that our squad is in need of a overhaul. But yet we are in a situation again where Daniel Levy/Enic are failing to back the manager.
I fully appreciate that January is a shitty time to do business and that you end up over spending on players. But unfortunately due the negligence over the past two years in the transfer market we have been left with gapping holes in our squad partially in midfield and at right back and now we need a striker. IF Daniel Levy is serious about finishing in the top 4 or at least having a decent run to the end of the season which will lift some of the negative feeling that surrounds the club at the moment and hopefully build momentum into next season then he needs to swallow his pride and accept that he has to pay over the odds for the players to fill these three key positions.

Sadly it seems that he is just interested in making a profit and therefor refusing to spend any money..This bollocks of loans with no options is just not good enough! You will not get any decent players in this way!

If this continues id be amazed if Jose is still with us in 12 months time. I think Jose has now realised that the squad isn't good enough to compete for the top 4 and needs a big overhaul. Thing is for Jose this is a free hit in away as he can just turn around and say well I wasn't backed in the transfer market by Daniel Levy.

I just don't fully understand what's in it for Daniel Levy though appointing a manager like Jose who will be on big wages and then not backing him in the transfer market just doesn't make any sense to me.

Problem with this view is we are less than 3 weeks into Jose's first transfer window. We are the only club in the top half of the Prem to have made a signing so far except possibly the Japanese player Liverpool signed. I don't know enough about him or the deal to comment.

Few dispute that transfer signings the last 3 years before the summer were mostly very poor. But the last summer saw 3 very positive signings. All three have shown glimpses of what they will bring. But none are really performing because that is the nature of new signings.

So all the fans wanting use to sign players this month to save this season are off base, The signings we make now are most likely to benefit us next season and the one after.

"This bollocks of loans with no options is just not good enough! You will not get any decent players in this way!"

I find your above quote above strange. The only loan signings we have made have an option to buy.

wiggo24 · Jan 18, 2020

JayB said:
I get the feeling that Levy believed the squad was good enough and that all had gone wrong was the divide within the dressing room. As though he were in total denial that the summer 2018 and January 2019 transfer windows destroyed the project. It should be perfectly fucking clear to him now that it is his own neglect of the squad, not something wrong with the manager, that is to blame for our precipitous decline. Yet he'll do nothing about it.

Yep. Levy took the financial hit on Jose because he thought he could wring the last few years out of this squad. Turns out the squad just isn't good enough anymore and his response will tell us everything we need to know about his ambition.

Wsussexspur · Jan 18, 2020

dontcallme said:
Problem with this view is we are less than 3 weeks into Jose's first transfer window. We are the only club in the top half of the Prem to have made a signing so far except possibly the Japanese player Liverpool signed. I don't know enough about him or the deal to comment.

Few dispute that transfer signings the last 3 years before the summer were mostly very poor. But the last summer saw 3 very positive signings. All three have shown glimpses of what they will bring. But none are really performing because that is the nature of new signings.

So all the fans wanting use to sign players this month to save this season are off base, The signings we make now are most likely to benefit us next season and the one after.

"This bollocks of loans with no options is just not good enough! You will not get any decent players in this way!"

I find your above quote above strange. The only loan signings we have made have an option to buy.

The thing with the signing we have made so far is he isn't exactly a player we desperately need.. I fully hope Gedson does become a good player and succeeds with us but he wasn't the player we needed in this window and if at the end of the window he is the only player we have signed then it will have been a very poor transfer window by the club.

Yes last summer was a step in the right direction. The signings made were all good! I fully disagree with your comment about the fans calling for signing this month being off base! It is clear for anyone who watches us we are in need a dm and certainly a striker and ideally a right back but ill admit we may just be able to wait to the summer till we address that problem.. Week in week out we can all clearly see we have a massive problem in midfield with the fact that barring Dier who just can't seem capable of regaining his old form and Wanyamma who can't even get into the match day squad anymore we have no natural Defensive midfielder which leads to us being over run week in week out! This surely needs to be addressed in this window. As does buying a striker as its clear that with the way Jose wants us to play we need one!

Just read the iTK reference the loan with no options...

dontcallme · Jan 18, 2020

Wsussexspur said:
The thing with the signing we have made so far is he isn't exactly a player we desperately need.. I fully hope Gedson does become a good player and succeeds with us but he wasn't the player we needed in this window and if at the end of the window he is the only player we have signed then it will have been a very poor transfer window by the club.

Yes last summer was a step in the right direction. The signings made were all good! I fully disagree with your comment about the fans calling for signing this month being off base! It is clear for anyone who watches us we are in need a dm and certainly a striker and ideally a right back but ill admit we may just be able to wait to the summer till we address that problem.. Week in week out we can all clearly see we have a massive problem in midfield with the fact that barring Dier who just can't seem capable of regaining his old form and Wanyamma who can't even get into the match day squad anymore we have no natural Defensive midfielder which leads to us being over run week in week out! This surely needs to be addressed in this window. As does buying a striker as its clear that with the way Jose wants us to play we need one!

Just read the iTK reference the loan with no options...

Your first sentence is the exact example of why buying in January is such a problem. Managers, fans etc form opinions on positions that need strengthening. But in reality January options are scarce. As I said no one has made any signings yet and the potential big deal was Bruno F to Utd but that seems to have fallen through.

So getting the players you want is very difficult and not simply rectified by "just paying the money."

It is off base because what we need does not equal what is available. Arsenal, Utd, Chelsea and City all have areas that need strengthening but none have signed anyone. Why? Because their chairmen are as cheap as Levy or because buying in January is difficult, especially for clubs looking for top level players?

Wanting something and it being available are two different things.

I appreciate the info the ITK bring us but will always look to what is actually done ahead of reports. So far we have signed two players on loan with a high buy fee. That says to me we are happy to loan to buy because evidence of action is stronger than thought.

fecka · Jan 18, 2020

It's been what? 2 and a half weeks of the window and Kane got injured just about a week ago along with Sissoko and Ndombele.
What did you expect? Miraculously signing 3 star players in that period to fill all the gaps?
January is a notoriously hard time to buy players that'll make a difference

I can bet almost anything that there was a plan in place for the window and it drastically changed with the injuries.
Reactive? Yes but Mou and the team likely saw other positions as a bigger priority and we've already loaned a kid deemed as a bigger talent than Joao Felix (who's having a hard time at Atletico) at one point. We need some bloody patience and put a bit of trust in the team.

Let's wait a bit before we judge this window as a complete failure, alright?

WiganSpur · Jan 18, 2020

JayB said:
I get the feeling that Levy believed the squad was good enough and that all had gone wrong was the divide within the dressing room. As though he were in total denial that the summer 2018 and January 2019 transfer windows destroyed the project. It should be perfectly fucking clear to him now that it is his own neglect of the squad, not something wrong with the manager, that is to blame for our precipitous decline. Yet he'll do nothing about it.

I think it's obvious the problem was both Pochettino and the players. At the end under Poch it wasn't just a lack of quality or ability, it was a complete and utter lack of desire and do the basics we all expect like running your socks off and defending with some fucking fight. It wasn't just the wantaways either, barely any of them looked like they had the stomach.

The difference Jose has made has been on the desire side, the players at least look like they are buying into his ideas, they're putting a lot more effort in. We're not being beaten as easily. In spite of that the other part of the problem (the lack of quality and squad imbalance) hasn't been resolved as well as being aggravated by injuries and that's why we're still not there yet. That will take 2-3 windows to fix.

richard_gleeson · Jan 18, 2020

WiganSpur said:
I think it's obvious the problem was both Pochettino and the players. At the end under Poch it wasn't just a lack of quality or ability, it was a complete and utter lack of desire and do the basics we all expect like running your socks off and defending with some fucking fight. It wasn't just the wantaways either, barely any of them looked like they had the stomach.

The difference Jose has made has been on the desire side, the players at least look like they are buying into his ideas, they're putting a lot more effort in. We're not being beaten as easily. In spite of that the other part of the problem (the lack of quality and squad imbalance) hasn't been resolved as well as being aggravated by injuries and that's why we're still not there yet. That will take 2-3 windows to fix.

Poch was worn out with us 18 months ago. Combined with lack of investment. Combined with huge frustration on the pitch where the players knew they couldn't quite make it to the top. The stadium move had to happen but unfortunately for us it came at wrong time. If we was at old white Hart lane and was able to invest we could have been champions by now (after last season at old WHL)

dontcallme · Jan 18, 2020

fecka said:
It's been what? 2 and a half weeks of the window and Kane got injured just about a week ago along with Sissoko and Ndombele.
What did you expect? Miraculously signing 3 star players in that period to fill all the gaps?
January is a notoriously hard time to buy players that'll make a difference

I can bet almost anything that there was a plan in place for the window and it drastically changed with the injuries.
Reactive? Yes but Mou and the team likely saw other positions as a bigger priority and we've already loaned a kid deemed as a bigger talent than Joao Felix (who's having a hard time at Atletico) at one point. We need some bloody patience and put a bit of trust in the team.

Let's wait a bit before we judge this window as a complete failure, alright?

Exactly. Fans often think in a very insular way.

They say we need a new rb, midfield destroyer and a striker. If we don't buy these three players then we have been tight with money again and failed to back the manager.

They fail to see and acknowledge that teams around us have also not strengthened. City need a new centre back but haven't bought. Is this because their chairman is as tight as Levy? Is the manager not being backed? Of course not, being tight and not buying is clearly all because of Levy.

It does appear some players are available though. Benteke is said to being offered to clubs but we don't want a player of his current ability. Piatek (sp?) is also possibly available. Many see him as not being of the ability we require. If we buy him then chances are he will be in our squad for the next several seasons and with the bedding in period he might not benefit us this season anyway. So the manager and chairman have to make a judgment call on whether this is a signing we really want but there are many fans who will see us as having failed to back the manager if we don't buy him.

Bruno Fernandes is available but it seems his transfer fee is going to be around £80m. Fair to say if we buy him then this is a major signing and will affect summer spending. If he is judged to not be at the level required for such a fee then we shouldn't buy him. If Jose wants the money to go to other areas then that's what we should do. But failure to buy will again be seen as us being tight.

We have seen how hard it can be to sell unwanted players on a high salary so we shouldn't be panic buying. If the players are genuinely of the quality needed then buy. If unsure then loan.

WiganSpur · Jan 18, 2020

richard_gleeson said:
Poch was worn out with us 18 months ago. Combined with lack of investment. Combined with huge frustration on the pitch where the players knew they couldn't quite make it to the top. The stadium move had to happen but unfortunately for us it came at wrong time. If we was at old white Hart lane and was able to invest we could have been champions by now (after last season at old WHL)

I agree it was largely Levy's cock up to begin with. Things would have likely been different if Poch had been given the finances and licence but in the end it did get to the stage where Poch became a problem also. Levy has to take the majority of the blame but that doesn't mean retaining Pochettino was the solution if you see what i'm getting at. The damage had already been done.

For the love of Spurs · Jan 18, 2020

WiganSpur said:
I agree it was largely Levy's cock up to begin with. Things would have likely been different if Poch had been given the finances and licence but in the end it did get to the stage where Poch became a problem also. Levy has to take the majority of the blame but that doesn't mean retaining Pochettino was the solution if you see what i'm getting at. The damage had already been done.

I don’t disagree, Levy caused the problem but Poch had to be sacrificed to try and fix it. Still annoyed that the best manager in my lifetime was left in a shit sandwich mostly out of his control.

Levy better back Mourinho properly or its going to turn toxic.

sausage · Jan 18, 2020

WiganSpur said:
I agree it was largely Levy's cock up to begin with. Things would have likely been different if Poch had been given the finances and licence but in the end it did get to the stage where Poch became a problem also. Levy has to take the majority of the blame but that doesn't mean retaining Pochettino was the solution if you see what i'm getting at. The damage had already been done.

Part of the issue (imo) was that Poch clearly stated on multiple occasions that he didn't want squad depth - only first team improvements. You can't always realistically get them, and it was depth that arguably caused issues (competition for places is important for motivation), so I'm confused by the idea that the "no spending" is absolutely unrelated to all the stuff Poch was saying at that exact point in time. I'm pretty sure ITK said he didn't want players at the time, too.

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