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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Joely

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Jan 20, 2011
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I wouldn't be totally negative. The American backers of Liverpool and United are backed by American free money. The oil and gas companies that own Chelsea and City just turn the taps on. We cant compete with that.
Everyone complains at the corporations for being so in control but who goes down the a bloke who owns say 5 shops and blasts him for not buying more gear.
Mourinho needs some success..wins etc...then needs to tell Levy what he needs realistically

Utd are on a different level due to the huge revenues they bring. Although Liverpool's revenue is up there, their owners don't have a money pit. They've been smart in their dealings, both incoming's and outgoings and that in the main due to having football people in charge of transfers. They've quickly identified players in their squad who were not up to it and moved them on for good money. Obviously the Coutinho sale also helped massively. However fundamentally they have football people at the helm when it comes to transfers and they are backed by an excellent stats team as part of their scouting team.

We can't match the likes of City, Chelsea and Utd so we have to be smart in our dealings and that cannot be done when non footballing people like Levy with one eye on churning out profits has the major input in our transfers. No wonder Paul Mitchell left after such a short stint. Levy sees himself as a player 'trader'......that is so far away from what is best for the actual squad. We have a small time approach compared to other clubs and nothing is going to change until ENIC leave.
 

VancouverSpur

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Aug 26, 2010
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I wouldn't be totally negative. The American backers of Liverpool and United are backed by American free money. The oil and gas companies that own Chelsea and City just turn the taps on. We cant compete with that.
Everyone complains at the corporations for being so in control but who goes down the a bloke who owns say 5 shops and blasts him for not buying more gear.
Mourinho needs some success..wins etc...then needs to tell Levy what he needs realistically.
Also can you imagine the situation with this Amazon movie if we regress????
Remember when we were bottom Levy bought that bunch of players
I agree with your premise but I have to say again it’s not that we can’t compete in terms of money it is that we choose not to there is a very distinct difference.

Joe Lewis net worth is 5.3 billion compared to John Henry who has a net worth of 2.8 billion and owns 40% of Liverpool. Fenway Sports are an investment group much like ENIC. Liverpool is is worth considerably more than what they paid yet no one gives them shit about just being in it for the money as they have done a great job on the playing side. We have done a great job on the infrastructure side but it’s just not as sexy.

I am ok with the club being run the way it is purely as I cannot control it so not worth getting stressed about it. However should Joe Lewis decide to go insane and do aback door sponsorship agreement ala Man City and our shirt sponsor or the stadium becomes Uncle Joes Nads and it’s worth a fortune I am ok with that also.
 

Japhet

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Aug 30, 2010
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Hopefully he'll have worked out from that game that we can get control of midfield if we have some more bodies in there, that we need some pace at the back, and that having 4 up front isn't essential to create chances to score. I also hope he spotted that we were much. much more dangerous when GLC and Lamela came on. Hopeful, but not confident.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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Utd are on a different level due to the huge revenues they bring. Although Liverpool's revenue is up there, their owners don't have a money pit. They've been smart in their dealings, both incoming's and outgoings and that in the main due to having football people in charge of transfers. They've quickly identified players in their squad who were not up to it and moved them on for good money. Obviously the Coutinho sale also helped massively. However fundamentally they have football people at the helm when it comes to transfers and they are backed by an excellent stats team as part of their scouting team.

We can't match the likes of City, Chelsea and Utd so we have to be smart in our dealings and that cannot be done when non footballing people like Levy with one eye on churning out profits has the major input in our transfers. No wonder Paul Mitchell left after such a short stint. Levy sees himself as a player 'trader'......that is so far away from what is best for the actual squad. We have a small time approach compared to other clubs and nothing is going to change until ENIC leave.
I see what you’re saying but strange then that Jose was complimenting our internal structure so much as one of the reasons he joined.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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Jose also said he'd never manage Spurs, id take what he said more an excuse or just to feed the media about his injuries woes
I’m not so sure, he started Davies in his first game at West Ham and that role suited Davies to a tee, I think he’s almost tailor made for how Jose wants to play that role.
 

dtxspurs

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Dec 28, 2017
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Dele absolutely cemented over GLC is a baffling decision at this point and one of the major concerns about Mourinhos appointment.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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Hopefully he'll have worked out from that game that we can get control of midfield if we have some more bodies in there, that we need some pace at the back, and that having 4 up front isn't essential to create chances to score. I also hope he spotted that we were much. much more dangerous when GLC and Lamela came on. Hopeful, but not confident.
To be fair the second half of the Norwich game and the first 20 mins of the Southampton game showed that Jose does want us to play through the middle. The fact that Ndombele was playing in these moments shows that he doesn't trust the players we have so we are playing it long for now.

With Ndombele we have a way out of breaking through the opposition press and we can be more aggressive in possession/passing. Without him Jose knows we are easily pressed and are incapable of moving it quick enough so get caught out or are too slow to get up the pitch playing into the midfield when in transition.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
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I agree with your premise but I have to say again it’s not that we can’t compete in terms of money it is that we choose not to there is a very distinct difference.

Joe Lewis net worth is 5.3 billion compared to John Henry who has a net worth of 2.8 billion and owns 40% of Liverpool. Fenway Sports are an investment group much like ENIC. Liverpool is is worth considerably more than what they paid yet no one gives them shit about just being in it for the money as they have done a great job on the playing side. We have done a great job on the infrastructure side but it’s just not as sexy.

I am ok with the club being run the way it is purely as I cannot control it so not worth getting stressed about it. However should Joe Lewis decide to go insane and do aback door sponsorship agreement ala Man City and our shirt sponsor or the stadium becomes Uncle Joes Nads and it’s worth a fortune I am ok with that also.
Sorry I think this has been said a million times before but Joe Lewis has nothing to do with Tottenham, Levy runs the club, Lewis couldn’t give a fuck, forget about him and his billions.
 

VancouverSpur

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Aug 26, 2010
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Sorry I think this has been said a million times before but Joe Lewis has nothing to do with Tottenham, Levy runs the club, Lewis couldn’t give a fuck, forget about him and his billions.
That’s exactly my point...Joe Lewis couldn’t give a fuck. John Henry and Fenway give a massive fuck.
 

Ronwol196061

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Apr 9, 2018
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I agree with your premise but I have to say again it’s not that we can’t compete in terms of money it is that we choose not to there is a very distinct difference.

Joe Lewis net worth is 5.3 billion compared to John Henry who has a net worth of 2.8 billion and owns 40% of Liverpool. Fenway Sports are an investment group much like ENIC. Liverpool is is worth considerably more than what they paid yet no one gives them shit about just being in it for the money as they have done a great job on the playing side. We have done a great job on the infrastructure side but it’s just not as sexy.

I am ok with the club being run the way it is purely as I cannot control it so not worth getting stressed about it. However should Joe Lewis decide to go insane and do aback door sponsorship agreement ala Man City and our shirt sponsor or the stadium becomes Uncle Joes Nads and it’s worth a fortune I am ok with that also.


I agree Vancouver (Toronto here!) But for owners to spend their own money it's their choice...they want to buy a pot its their nickel. We are a conservative company we are also a very steady company maybe that's why we keep Winks who seems now like a metaphor for us. Bread and butter rather than icing on the cake.
Yes we all would like success.Ive seen it with my own eyes and hope we would get back to the garden but it's going to take time. Maybe Joe will have a think and throw in some cash. Nah it wont happen.
I think though if we get a bit closer and Mourinho gets some wins that say he will make it happen then Joe could go the extra mile and at that point he would be stupid not to give us that last piece of the puzzle
 

RichieS

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Dec 23, 2004
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Davies is not a nailed on starter, no top club 6 PL club would, hes ok and maybe a bit more than ok for a squad or a no 2 left back but no way a nailed on starter
Is there a left back at any other top-6 club who plays that particular role (i.e. auxilliary CB)? That's more important than whether he would start for any of them.
 

dondo

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Jan 4, 2006
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Dele absolutely cemented over GLC is a baffling decision at this point and one of the major concerns about Mourinhos appointment.

What has GLC done exactly? Hasn’t had a huge amount of chances to be fair to him but he’s not set the world alight with the opportunities he has had
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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This article is disgraceful. Read Loads by this guy who clearly hates Jose. No balance at all.
Jose will destroy your club
Don't pay attention to what journalists say when they start talking about strategy and tactics. They haven't the foggiest when it comes to what goes on on a training ground and the thiking behind strategy.

Mourinho's methods have made clubs bigger and more successful than they were.
 

wrd

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Aug 22, 2014
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What has GLC done exactly? Hasn’t had a huge amount of chances to be fair to him but he’s not set the world alight with the opportunities he has had

In the time that Jose has been in charge how many games has Dele allowed to be poor and never be dropped, never be subbed compared to Lo Celso not impressing in his 2 starts in rotated line ups and a couple of 20 minute appearances.
 

dondo

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Jan 4, 2006
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In the time that Jose has been in charge how many games has Dele allowed to be poor and never be dropped, never be subbed compared to Lo Celso not impressing in his 2 starts in rotated line ups and a couple of 20 minute appearances.

Dele has scored and assisted a fair few goals in that time as well
 

Ronwol196061

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Apr 9, 2018
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Dele has scored and assisted a fair few goals in that time as well
That's the problem Dele has the ability to do that. Apart from those highlites he does work hard defensively but too many games he isnt an attacking threat.
Even when JM or Poch gave him a strong MF defensive position he should have been creating from that position too. He has the talent. Having him just guard the channels is a waste in some ways.He needs to do more with the ball
 
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