Racist abuse in our stands, we need to face it if it’s there.

glacierSpurs · Dec 23, 2019

I really appreciate that SC is definitely a upright community as the alleged incident did upset almost everyone. But to think some feel our club can be above all others is probably straw-clutching and naive TBH. Racism didn't happen in our stadium doesn't mean they didn't happen, as some alluded to. They are just not reported by players or cameras.

As some posters said, racism is everywhere. It's a global issue, a society issue, an anthropology issue. Education is the key yes. Every single one I'm sure has some preference to people one wish to encounter. That really is a racial preference and there is no wrong in that. Of course when things get offensive and derogatory, it should not be laid out in public. You can often be sure such presentations are from people of poor education background or upbringing.

But my point is we shouldn't really expect racism can be free of existent, just so because we are Tottenham Hotspur, much less in this diversifying global village. Is not a divine given we are or can be that pristine and pure club.

Also, when the crowd gets vile, I don't understand why they got the sticks when the players are probably the one that started being the jerks first. Is not like the fans started chanting racist remarks right from the start they enter the field. Some maybe, but more often these remarks are reactions to the players' actions too. Rudiger was a prick in that tackle and I think he hit Son first some was saying and carried on the act dramatically from Son's kick. Not condoning the offensive reaction from the crowd if there was, but neither was Rudiger a Saint as he was just playing victimisation IMO, more so with his tweets afterwards.

mkkid · Dec 23, 2019

bomberH said:
Saw a lot of stuff being chucked at the Chelsea players and anyone doing that should be banned for life. Didn’t hear any racism personally.

The BBC reported this as ‘racist songs’ originally and it’s now changed to monkey chants. Despite the fact we all know every fan base has their racist pricks amongst them, I’d be very surprised if this was the case. Hopefully if it is they’ll have video evidence and it will be one person acting alone.... but it’s just something I haven’t seen at the Lane. I’ve been going since 1980 and I’ve never ever heard monkey chants. I’ve heard homophobic songs and other offensive stuff but never monkey chanting. The Adebayor song was racist but I genuinely believe most of the people that sung along with that one did it because they believed it was ‘funny’ and wasn’t overtly racist. (It was racist). But monkey chanting is out and out racist with no ifs and buts. I haven’t seen or heard anything like that where I sit in the Park Lane.

I hope I’m right. Best case scenario is that he misheard and it was just short sharp booing. Then we get our name cleared and carry on as normal. Worst case is it was more than one person and we look like a bunch of cavemen ****s. The only reason I’m questioning it at all is that there still aren’t any images or video footage yet, whereas in the other incidents the footage has been shown straight after. Not sure why they gave 3 announcements too for one incident. Has a reason for this been given or was it just on loop after the incident?

On a positive note, there were lots and lots of angry fans shouting at the ****s throwing shit on to the pitch. Good to see.

Then you must of been deaf in the 80s , especially when we played West Brom with Regis Forest with Anderson or Bennett with City\Coventry.
However yesterday, there would have been footage from the bottom tier and Sky would be running it now.

SugarRay · Dec 23, 2019

Few more ‘lads, lads, lads’ types were there than usual yesterday. Could spot them a mile off, massive bowl, mockney accents galore and shitchat central...oh and printed off tickets.

Can well believe the Rudiger accusation given what passes for ‘banter’ between such divs these days but I can’t believe it’s group chants as is being insinuated.

Lots of tickets sold on the exchange for this one, certainly around me.

Heard plenty of Chelsea “sssshhhhhing”
It’s a nonsense. They switched it up a few years ago and use it instead of hissing. West Ham do it too. They know exactly what they’re doing, can pass it off as saying it’s sarcastic banter ‘stadium is too loud’ bullshit.

EastLondonYid · Dec 23, 2019

ralphs bald spot said:
There is evidence ask Rudiger he heard it that's enough !!! Geez sometimes you have to be a little bit gracious and go we were wrong what happened is disgusting and we shouldn't be blaming him

No one is saying he is telling lies, but are saying he nay be mistaken,

Loads of fans on social media that were in that corner saying that they heard CHEAT CHEAT Cheat.... Which could be misheard as monkey chants.

Can we all calm down and wait and see the evidence

SugarRay · Dec 23, 2019

bat-chain said:
what If he actually was mistaken though?

what if he simply didn’t hear what he thought he did?

There is a possibility this is the case.

cozzo · Dec 23, 2019

Trust me its there. The Yid Army forum will enlighten you. The names they refer to son as, the things they used to call adebayor. God knows what they are calling Aurier

ralphs bald spot · Dec 23, 2019

EastLondonYid said:
No one is saying he is telling lies, but are saying he nay be mistaken,

Loads of fans on social media that were in that corner saying that they heard CHEAT CHEAT Cheat.... Which could be misheard as monkey chants.

Can we all calm down and wait and see the evidence

Stop fooling yourself - the bloke heard it. Don't make apologies for it - it might have been misheard for crying out loud!! We need to face up to it and stand against it.

- its enough it condemns all of us.

riggi · Dec 23, 2019

Phomesy said:
I don’t know. What I do know is I heard the “sshhing” mock tonight not the racist “hissing” chant of yesteryear. I think @riggi sits near the away fan and can confirm?

Yup I do but I assumed it was the usual “shhh”

Rout-Ledge · Dec 23, 2019

The question I’d ask is if it was one of our black players at Stamford Bridge who was making this accusation would everyone be falling over themselves to question the veracity of it or demand concrete evidence before condemning?

riggi · Dec 23, 2019

I see Neville has done another one of his famous speeches ?

riggi · Dec 23, 2019

Rout-Ledge said:
The question I’d ask is if it was one of our black players at Stamford Bridge who was making this accusation would everyone be falling over themselves to question the veracity of it or demand concrete evidence before condemning?

Not so much I would assume but that is based on previous experience isn’t it.

Rout-Ledge · Dec 23, 2019

riggi said:
Not so much I would assume but that is based on previous experience isn’t it.

What, you mean they have racist fans and we don’t?

EastLondonYid · Dec 23, 2019

ralphs bald spot said:
Stop fooling yourself - the bloke heard it. Don't make apologies for it - it might have been misheard for crying out loud!! We need to face up to it and stand against it.

- its enough it condemns all of us.

I don't know where you are trying to go with this mate, who you are, or why you don't want the facts to come out, if it was a monkey chant we should all be embarrassed,ashamed and get rid of the racists scum amongst us, but what you fail to understand is while there is doubt we should wait and see before hanging our fans out to dry.
I repeat, and i am NOT fooling myself, that alot of fans on social media are suggesting the chants may have been mistaken for cheat .

I am sure more than one player ,fan etc will have heard something, and i am sure our club will be investigating tv footage as we speak

You seem very certain it was a racist chant and very quick to condemn us all, well i'm not having that untill it has been proved.

riggi · Dec 23, 2019

Rout-Ledge said:
What, you mean they have racist fans and we don’t?

Its well documented that Chelsea have had an issue with Racism dating back decades. Tottenham have not had the same reputation. I wasn’t around pre 90’s but from what I have heard we haven’t had that label before.

Gassin's finest · Dec 23, 2019

riggi said:
I see Neville has done another one of his famous speeches ?

Good.

Sjhawuk · Dec 23, 2019

Why are we saying that he wouldn’t lie and make it up, ofcourse he could. It’s the same guy who went down like he had been shot to get son sent off. Yeah son was stupid but it was complete “lies” and overacting to get son sent off. If we did make monkey noises then yes that’s unacceptable but it’s not unreasonable to think a rival player would lie or bend the truth to get an advantage in a situation or get are club in trouble. Football players are known to be the nicest guys out there let’s be real. Plus like others have said he could have miss heard it. And now due to in educated rival fans are club is going to be treated as if it’s the most racist club out there all due to something with no evidence and the rival fans not understanding that the announcements carry on and are not for 3 separate incidents!!

Shanks · Dec 23, 2019

EastLondonYid said:
The banana incident was Not a racist act, I know the fella who threw that, he was a fucking idiot who got banned for it and deservedly so for many reasons except racism... This has been covered before that he picked up anything by his feet and chucked it at the arsenal player.... Again I'm in no condoning this moronic act and he deserved his ban but it wasn't a racist act just a bizarre incident, if it was an apple on the floor by his feet he would have thrown that.... So please stop referring to it as a racist incident its just the media deciding it was without really searching the truth, I've spoken to the fella and totally believe him he is greek and has no racist bones in his body, stupid yes, loutish yes, moronic yes.

Dude, I appreciate it may not have been, but he threw a banana at a black player???

I’ll refer to it as a perceived racist act like every single other fan in the country every time and themore racist and shithousery behaviour coming from our fan base, only makes it all look worse.

EastLondonYid · Dec 23, 2019

Shanks said:
Dude, I appreciate it may not have been, but he threw a banana at a black player???

I’ll refer to it as a perceived racist act like every single other fan in the country every time and themore racist and shithousery behaviour coming from our fan base, only makes it all look worse.

Can we not see it as he threw an object that was the only thing by his feet at the nearest player who happened to be black in a moronic fit of rage in a heated NLD.......again i repeat , banned deserved for an unacceptable act, but not racist.

LDNYid · Dec 23, 2019

I think the bottom line is racism exists in our society, ergo, it permeates in to all realms of our society. Regardless of your views on Brexit, the statistics on hate crime etc... make a very strong argument that Brexit has emboldened those who may have previously thought these abhorrent things but potentially were more inclined to hold their tongues. Add this to the fact that a right-wing government led by a man who has knowingly and disgracefully used racist terminology, flippantly, in the past, has been elected to power and is opposed by a Labour Party that cannot seem to deal with racism within its ranks; this, and the seemingly toxic sense of lost identity and disenfranchisement that many within society clearly feel, reflected more widely in the rise of populism globally, leaves us in a dark place with so much still to do. We must all speak up against this without any sense of protectionism for our club; racism is bigger than that and this manifestation must be called-out, and the culprits dealt with.

LDNYid · Dec 23, 2019

LDNYid said:
I think the bottom line is racism exists in our society, ergo, it permeates in to all realms of our society. Regardless of your views on Brexit, the statistics on hate crime etc... make a very strong argument that Brexit has emboldened those who may have previously thought these abhorrent things but potentially were more inclined to hold their tongues. Add this to the fact that a right-wing government led by a man who has knowingly and disgracefully used racist terminology, flippantly, in the past, has been elected to power and is opposed by a Labour Party that cannot seem to deal with racism within its ranks; this, and the seemingly toxic sense of lost identity and disenfranchisement that many within society clearly feel, reflected more widely in the rise of populism globally, leaves us in a dark place with so much still to do. We must all speak up against this without any sense of protectionism for our club; racism is bigger than that and this manifestation must be called-out, and the culprits dealt with.

And yes, I recognise that my name on here is questionable - when originally choosing it, I was not fully aware of the connotations: if I could change it I would and I regret using it.

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