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Archibald&Crooks · Nov 13, 2019

Ghost Hardware said:
Im not sure he would want another project anyway at this point.

I'm struggling to think of many clubs at all that aren't a 'project' of one sort or another, the closest to a project that's about there is City, maybe Liverpool if they win the league this year. That leaves nothing but projects, he has to go somewhere........All IMO of course.

Ghost Hardware · Nov 13, 2019

Archibald&Crooks said:
I'm struggling to think of many clubs at all that aren't a 'project' of one sort or another, the closest to a project that's about there is City, maybe Liverpool if they win the league this year. That leaves nothing but projects, he has to go somewhere........All IMO of course.

I guess it depends on the job. You could refer to all , as you say, as projects. But most of the biggest clubs don't really give anyone enough time to develop a project. The biggest clubs tend to be fairly set in their ethos and expect any manager to come in swinging and are given the budget to make it happen. Sure not many are as trigger happy as Madrid, but most big clubs won't give a manager more then a season and a half/two seasons to bring some sort of success especially in other European leagues which aren't as competitive as the PL.

dudu · Nov 13, 2019

Gb160 said:
That’s why I mentioned that his remit wouldn’t necessarily be to win the league, as it has been at every other club he’s been at.
It’s unrealistic under our current owners.

Any trophy should be considered a success, and I don’t think he’d need hundreds of millions to do that.

Definitely not 100's of millions but..... United with £250k a week Zlatan - winners, United the following season without Zlatan......

Styopa · Nov 13, 2019

It's an interesting question what and how long constitutes a 'project'. If one of the main criteria is length of time are Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche engaged in projects at their respective clubs or are there additional criteria apart from being given time and being relatively successful which marks out a project?

dagraham · Nov 13, 2019

Styopa said:
It's an interesting question what and how long constitutes a 'project'. If one of the main criteria is length of time are Eddie Howe and Sean Dyche engaged in projects at their respective clubs or are there additional criteria apart from being given time and being relatively successful which marks out a project?

Well a project by definition has an end goal and should have a beginning, middle and end.

I’m not sure what our end goal of the project is? I would like to think it’s actually winning stuff, but maybe I’m just an old, deluded fool.

Spurslove · Nov 13, 2019

dagraham said:
Well a project by definition has an end goal and should have a beginning, middle and end.

I’m not sure what our end goal of the project is? I would like to think it’s actually winning stuff, but maybe I’m just an old, deluded fool.

I think when Poch arrived, the project at the time, was for us to

a) Become a regular top four contender.
b) Get the new training facility completed
c) Get the new stadium completed
d) Win a major trophy

Anyone could argue that we achieved at least three of those four, with the culmination of our loss inMadrid in the Champions League final (clearly, we would have managed all four if we'd won the trophy).

This is why, I believe, Poch made it clear that the first phase of our growth and development had largely been achieved, and the next phase had to be agreed between him and Levy in the week following the final (whatever they both agreed in what form the next phase would be).

So, purely in terms of the 'project' I believe we've almost fully achieved phase one with great success, but whatever was agreed about whatever form phase two would take, clearly, we haven't started very well, so badly in fact, there are now questions being asked (legitimately) about whether Poch is the man to deliver it, or whether someone else should be given that chance.

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dagraham · Nov 13, 2019

Spurslove said:
I think when Poch arrived, the project at the time, was for us to

a) Become a regular top four contender.
b) Get the new training facility completed
c) Get the new stadium completed
d) Win a major trophy

Anyone could argue that we achieved at least three of those four, with the culmination of our loss inMadrid in the Champions League final (clearly, we would have managed all four if we'd won the trophy).

This is why, I believe, Poch made it clear that the first phase of our growth and development had largely been achieved, and the next phase had to be agreed between him and Levy in the week following the final (whatever they both agreed in what form the next phase would be).

So, purely in terms of the 'project' I believe we've almost fully achieved phase one with great success, but whatever was agreed about whatever form phase two would take, clearly, we haven't started very well, so badly in fact, there are now questions being asked (legitimately) about whether Poch is the man to deliver it, or whether someone else should be given that chance.

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Yeah, fair enough assessment. My big problem with that scenario is that Phase 2 should build and follow on from Phase 1. Not start again.

This is the big fuck up by the club. It’s like building a house and just when you’re a going to do the final fit out, decide it’s badly designed and we’ll have to knock half of it down and start again.

Japhet · Nov 13, 2019

Metalhead said:
Was it actually a short term contract? Can't see him accepting an offer from DL of managing until the end of the season. Someone like Hoddle or Redknapp would.

He jumped ship when RM came sniffing around didn't he?

SugarRay · Nov 13, 2019

Why are we suddenly getting linked with some very questionable names?

Southgate? Behave

Metalhead · Nov 13, 2019

Japhet said:
He jumped ship when RM came sniffing around didn't he?

I can't really remember back that far tbh. Obviously the narrative goes that Mourinho lasts 2 seasons at a club. He might take a two year deal but I can't see him agreeing to a job for half a season (assuming even that Poch's time is up, which is a big 'if') on the basis that we'd be looking for a long term manager. His ego couldn't handle that. Not saying I'd blame him.

Metalhead · Nov 13, 2019

SugarRay said:
Why are we suddenly getting linked with some very questionable names?

Southgate? Behave

That was a link from a few weeks back. I wouldn't outrightly dismiss the possibility of him appealing to DL as a replacement.

sausage · Nov 13, 2019

dudu said:
Definitely not 100's of millions but..... United with £250k a week Zlatan - winners, United the following season without Zlatan......

Zlatan was free, too (in terms of transfer).

For the most part, getting the right players for the team is far more important than simply spending a lot of money. Everton are a recent example of that.

jimbo · Nov 13, 2019

talkshowhost86 said:
Don't get me wrong I am thrilled with what Levy has done for the club.

When I say we don't spend I mean on players in the way that Mourinho's previous clubs have done so.

Yes we spent money this year, for the first time in a long time. Mourinho wouldn't think it was enough though and the idea that he can somehow do wonders with an existing squad simply doesn't tally with his previous jobs.

Genuine question: what did he spend/who did he buy at Inter? I can’t remember.

fishhhandaricecake · Nov 13, 2019

Gb160 said:
The thing is, there's no manager we could bring in with a guarantee of success, anyone we bring in could fail.
But his record is staggering, multiple trophies at every single club he's managed.
There's no other manager available who ticks the boxes in the way Jose does.

The reason you're intrigued is because you suspect it could pay off.
If he's not the right fit for the job, then its time to change the bloody job.
Time to ditch the 'project' and roll the dice, the fans deserve to.

Yep I don’t care if we got Jose and it went tits up, the upside of it going well is too hard to ignore. He’s simply one of the best managers of all time and he’s arguably more motivated than ever.

CantSmileWithoutYou · Nov 13, 2019

SugarRay said:
Why are we suddenly getting linked with some very questionable names?

Southgate? Behave

Nothing wrong with Southgate.

it’s one of my favourite stations on the Piccadilly Line

Oh Teddy Teddy · Nov 13, 2019

Nagelsmann for me. He’s the one I’d worry about Arsenal beating us to, not Jose.

I think you’d be hard-pressed to find a worse fit for us than Mourinho. We don’t have the players he would need. We don’t play the football he plays. We don’t have the money he’d demand. And we know how it would end.

be great for that fucking Amazon doc though

SugarRay · Nov 13, 2019

Metalhead said:
That was a link from a few weeks back. I wouldn't outrightly dismiss the possibility of him appealing to DL as a replacement.

I think the fanbase would be very happy to dismiss him though! I’d take 20+ managers out there before Southgate.

SugarRay · Nov 13, 2019

Oh Teddy Teddy said:
Nagelsmann for me. He’s the one I’d worry about Arsenal beating us to, not Jose.

I think you’d be hard-pressed to find a worse fit for us than Mourinho. We don’t have the players he would need. We don’t play the football he plays. We don’t have the money he’d demand. And we know how it would end.

be great for that fucking Amazon doc though

He’s one hell of a managerial prospect, for want of a better word, but I get the feeling our current players won’t look up to him. I admit I don’t know anything about his personality etc, but he wouldn’t be taking over a bunch of ambitious, hard working, keen youngsters.

talkshowhost86 · Nov 13, 2019

jimbo said:
Genuine question: what did he spend/who did he buy at Inter? I can’t remember.

José Mourinho - Purchased players

Diese Übersicht listet alle Spieler auf, die während aller Amtszeiten des Trainers José Mourinho verpflichtet wurden.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

jimbo · Nov 13, 2019

talkshowhost86 said:
José Mourinho - Purchased players

Diese Übersicht listet alle Spieler auf, die während aller Amtszeiten des Trainers José Mourinho verpflichtet wurden.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Interesting, that doesn’t look desperately unrealistic to me. Though one might say that the price of footballers has changed a tad since then.
Lot of attacking players too, not sure we need those so much as strong defensive players, which are typically cheaper.

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