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Larryfromthelane

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This pretty much sums up the scale of the 'rebuild'
Spurs Subs
Vorm, Foyth, Dier, Sessegnon, Winks, Lo Celso, Parrott
Man City Subs
Bravo, Gabriel Jesus, Mendy, Mahrez, Cancelo, Otamendi, Foden
 

Shadydan

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This pretty much sums up the scale of the 'rebuild'
Spurs Subs
Vorm, Foyth, Dier, Sessegnon, Winks, Lo Celso, Parrott
Man City Subs
Bravo, Gabriel Jesus, Mendy, Mahrez, Cancelo, Otamendi, Foden

Not really, we had 5 missing due to suspension and injuries and you're comparing our bench to City's who are backed by an entire country, really?
 

Yiddo100

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This pretty much sums up the scale of the 'rebuild'
Spurs Subs
Vorm, Foyth, Dier, Sessegnon, Winks, Lo Celso, Parrott
Man City Subs
Bravo, Gabriel Jesus, Mendy, Mahrez, Cancelo, Otamendi, Foden
Dont compare us to Man City, it’s pointless they’re light years ahead because of the money they can spend
 

SpartanSpur

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This pretty much sums up the scale of the 'rebuild'
Spurs Subs
Vorm, Foyth, Dier, Sessegnon, Winks, Lo Celso, Parrott
Man City Subs
Bravo, Gabriel Jesus, Mendy, Mahrez, Cancelo, Otamendi, Foden

Man City's bench makes most look terrible to be fair. Plus if Kane doesn't have an illness we have Moura on the bench instead of Parrott and it looks pretty strong to me. Not to mention Lamela and Vertonghen being injured too.
 

SpartanSpur

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So you would be happy replacing Poch with a Manager twice sacked by Chelsea and also sacked by Man United and Real Madrid. What is it they know bout him you don’t I wonder.

Chelsea knew enough to hire him a second time (and he won them a PL title), and supposedly Perez has been keen on taking him back to Madrid for a while now.
 

Klinsmannic

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If this “big club” hires our Manager what would you say about them then ?

Nobody is saying he's a bad manager. Mourinho isn't a bad manager because his teams eventually tanked. Once things dip to such low levels it's extremely hard to turn them round and you need a fresh approach.

For what it's worth, Bayern will likely opt for somebody else imo.
 

PhezTHFC

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It came from the THST minutes of their recent meeting. Levy told the meeting that not one member of the board had approached him with any concerns and nobody had mentioned the possibility of making a change (it was essentially that, obviously that wasn't word for word)
While i agree surely people must be thinking something needs to change. Whether thats the manager or the players who aren't playing for him to be dropped entirely i don't understand what all this thinking is. Its absurd
 

muppetman

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Blimey, it's fun in here isn't it????

For me, I'd stick with him somewhat longer - probably to the end of the season, as he's got that much credit with me.

I'm always amazed that people have now decided we are on par with Liverpool, ManU, Man City and Chelsea even though we still spend a fraction of what they do - one window of spending a few quid doesn't make it so - look at how long Man City had to pump oil money in before they started to see the results.

I think many now take for granted the work that Poch has done and decided our players are amazing and would walk into any other top side, I'm not so convinced - Rose, Davies, Jan, Toby, Aurier, Sissoko, Moura probably don't and the fact that some were available to buy and yet are still here says something. I'm not at all convinced that Mourinho (or anyone else) walks in the door and transforms these players into being equivalent to those at City or Liverpool for example which is who we'll have to beat to pick up a pot or two.

I also think that making a CL final is now seen as our right due to our place in the football universe which seems mental to me - this is what I think an earlier poster was talking about when mentioning "entitled fans" or similar. Others will disagree and talk about how wealthy we are compared to teams in Spain or Italy but I think it was a massive achievement that took a huge amount out of everyone involved.

Lastly, I think we are paying the price now for not spending money earlier which is why we are having to use players who are now knackered/unmotivated/unable to do what Poch needs/past their best. If we can stick with Poch, integrate the new guys, get a few more in and trust to youth I think he can (not will, but can) turn it round.

Things I'd like to see from Poch over the next few games:
- Eriksen dropped until his ability to play improves - work-rate isn't enough.
- Go to the youth squad and start to use them - Parrot, Skipp, Tanganga, KWP and anyone else we feel could do a job and have a point to prove - think of the fire in the belly of Mason and co a few years back.
- Moura returned to super sub role, I will always love him for the heroics in Amsterdam but either we aren't playing to his strengths or he just isn't that great.
- Anyone that doesn't want to work hard and commit themselves to being part of the solution binned off to the reserves - go back to picking players on merit. All that stuff about "being paid to train" or whatever seems to have gone out of the window.
- Pick a best 11 and a way of playing and stick with it, at one point Poch was criticised as having no "Plan B" but I think he's gone too far the other way now and needs to pick a way of playing and then tweak it slightly. Part of Liverpool's success is everyone knows their role and what the plan is - I'm not convinced that's true of us which is why we look clueless.

tldr: Poch has credit in the bank with me and we should stick with him but he needs to help himself as well.
 

Dansleno1r

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Not taking a position on what should happen next or suggesting he be given unlimited time to turn things around, but just wanted to say that I will find it deeply saddening if this is the end of the Pochettino project.

Until recently he has inspired a sense of belief , hope, and optimism for the future the like of which I have not felt before under countless previous managers. The continuing sense, despite ever-impressive league finishes and runs in the CL, that we are on an upwards trajectory, and that it is only a matter of time before we are rewarded for our efforts with silverware. The feeling that even when things haven't been rosy, we would "come good" in the end under his stewardship.

However well justified it may be, it would be a genuine tragedy if Pochettino is booted out of the club under disagreeable circumstances without ever having realized the ambitions and glory I (and I'm sure many others) believed he would ultimately lead us to.
 
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Shadydan

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Normally when teams go on a bad run and a manager is due to get sacked is because he's lost the players, they've stopped playing for him, they've downed tools and the entire club is toxic, look at Man Utd's last days under Mourinho for example and then subsequently look what happened when he left.

I think we're in a totally different situation under Poch, I don't think the players have stopped playing for him at all, bar one or two I think the majority of players are with him and the club is still harmonious and I reckon this is a big indicator as to why Levy is still backing him.
 

wrd

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Normally when teams go on a bad run and a manager is due to get sacked is because he's lost the players, they've stopped playing for him, they've downed tools and the entire club is toxic, look at Man Utd's last days under Mourinho for example and then subsequently look what happened when he left.

I think we're in a totally different situation under Poch, I don't think the players have stopped playing for him at all, bar one or two I think the majority of players are with him and the club is still harmonious and I reckon this is a big indicator as to why Levy is still backing him.

I'd love to know what the other players think of the likes of Eriksen starting. Maybe there's some agreements in place that everybody is privy too but as a fellow player I'd be furious with some of the players.
 

Shadydan

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Sheff Utd at home next, not looking forward to that one, gonna be an absolute slog, doing really well this season by all accounts.

It's gonna be interesting to see what the fans reactions are if we don't come away with a win, that could be the game where Levy may turn.
 

Ronwol196061

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The man is a mad scientist.
He has one thing in his mind and he cant get past it (so far)
He wants to make everyone an uber player
They have to do everything. Its not enough to have them be able to pass,shoot,tackle,press,come back,go forward. He is micro managing them to be little robots.
He is taking away their common sense and instincts. That’s why they are all confused but still adhere to the leader. The ones that rebel get to sit out or leave for Atletico and Poch knows that this is the perfect situation for him because if he goes anywhere else bigger he would have to deal with players that don’t want to listen
Levy doesn’t buy grade A.That fits into Pochs MO as he can control Grade Bs and Grade Cs for the most part
 
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Sheff Utd at home next, not looking forward to that one, gonna be an absolute slog, doing really well this season by all accounts.

It's gonna be interesting to see what the fans reactions are if we don't come away with a win, that could be the game where Levy may turn.

Let's pray.

Wonder how long the going supporters will take this. As I believe they're the only one who Levy will listen to. Would be interesting to hear some of the people going to matches what their view is.
 

dudu

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Man City's bench makes most look terrible to be fair. Plus if Kane doesn't have an illness we have Moura on the bench instead of Parrott and it looks pretty strong to me. Not to mention Lamela and Vertonghen being injured too.

But, but, I'm angry and I saw something on twitter that makes me more angry!
 

freeeki

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This pretty much sums up the scale of the 'rebuild'
Spurs Subs
Vorm, Foyth, Dier, Sessegnon, Winks, Lo Celso, Parrott
Man City Subs
Bravo, Gabriel Jesus, Mendy, Mahrez, Cancelo, Otamendi, Foden

Not a terrible bench from us, to be fair.

Vorm is only back as a temporary fix.

Foyth, Sessegnon, Lo Celso - happy days.

Dier - needs upgrading.

Winks - take or leave, for me. Yes, I know, and no I don't want a debate about it.

Parrott - top prospect who should be involved with the matchday squad, just like City are doing with Foden.
 

wrd

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Sheff Utd at home next, not looking forward to that one, gonna be an absolute slog, doing really well this season by all accounts.

It's gonna be interesting to see what the fans reactions are if we don't come away with a win, that could be the game where Levy may turn.

This is the game I chose to take my mrs to for her visit for the stadium as I wanted a fairly simple one:cautious:
 

Mr Pink

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I've already written this season off in terms of league finish. If we improve we'll probably finish 6th/7th. If we don't could be anywhere up to 15/16th.

Its not even the results anymore, it's just our football that has me down.

It's utterly boring. Poch has been amazing, but the last 9 months are not blip.

It's way, way beyond that where you have to question the foundations of his management.

Overall he deserves a lot of respect for what he's done but that doesn't mean we should ignore the reality - which our football hasn't been enjoyable for the best of an entire season.
 
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