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IGSpur

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If these players had any thought that theyd get a game here they would sign though. Why would you leave when the odds are still stacked against you. The fact is there is NO chance it will realistically happen so they may as well take their chance elsewhere. Got nothing to lose other than money
 

IGSpur

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How long have I been saying this IG?

About as long as me...3 or 4 years. Ironically I used to get criticised for expecting Poch to give players a chance and growing frustrated when he didn't. After 1 or 2 years of realising thats wasnt gonna happen I lost all hope and then criticised for now having no expectations. With people telling me he would give KWP a chance. It became apparent for early.
 

Hercules

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About as long as me...3 or 4 years. Ironically I used to get criticised for expecting Poch to give players a chance and growing frustrated when he didn't. After 1 or 2 years of realising thats wasnt gonna happen I lost all hope and then criticised for now having no expectations. With people telling me he would give KWP a chance. It became apparent for early.
A lot of the youth players are hoping their ‘ideal’ elite EPL clubs come in for them. Our contract offers are relic and ancient. The purists can argue as much as they like. We are not as attractive to join, due to our scrooge-like’ terms, and incentives. I think the whole structure needs revamping. And that means from the top! To be clear, I am talking about the whole academy structure. We seem to end up with 2nd or 3rd, even 4th pick in the youngsters. One parent said to me, they would never have their son signing pro-forms with us, if there was options. Tbf with KWP, he has not done himself any favours. Not even cutting it in training. He badly needs a loan. Our elite youngsters need to go out on loan. And I know McDermott has been championing this for ages.
 

bceej

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If you look at which players and moved on during Poch's time here, it might just be the case that our academy process doesn't prepare footballers for top flight teams.

Ruben Lameiras and Marcus Edwards are playing in Portugal, Andros is at Palace, Ryan Fredericks at West Ham. Those are the only four players that are regularly selected by top flight clubs that left during Poch's tenure.

We've got a few in the Championship too like Jake Livermore, Kevin Stewart, Alex Pritchard, Tom Carroll, Jaden Brown and then a couple of leavers this summer in Shashoua and Onomah.

There is a sentimental bond with ex-players and those that have moved on, but our development process is not yielding players that can cut it at the highest level.

Just as a contrast with the lot down the road, they have one more in the same period, plus another 6 or 7 who were bought in their late teens. Same with Chelsea, again with a huge number who have been bought to be loaned and sold. We have a significantly better output than Liverpool, though.
 
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sammyj

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Sad to hear about how bad it is with the youth players, new training ground was supposed to bring a regular stream of youth players coming through
 

Blake Griffin

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even if we had chelsea's academy it wouldn't be much different.

tomori, james, mount and tammy have all been out on loan before getting a crack in the first team, under poch they'd have stopped playing at 17 and then who knows where they'd be at 21. hudson-odoi was refusing to sign a new deal until he got regular playing time, would poch have given in to a 17 year old making demands? until poch changes his ways, or we change poch, then what the academy is or isn't doing right is mostly irrelevant.
 

Locotoro

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A lot of the youth players are hoping their ‘ideal’ elite EPL clubs come in for them. Our contract offers are relic and ancient. The purists can argue as much as they like. We are not as attractive to join, due to our scrooge-like’ terms, and incentives. I think the whole structure needs revamping. And that means from the top! To be clear, I am talking about the whole academy structure. We seem to end up with 2nd or 3rd, even 4th pick in the youngsters. One parent said to me, they would never have their son signing pro-forms with us, if there was options. Tbf with KWP, he has not done himself any favours. Not even cutting it in training. He badly needs a loan. Our elite youngsters need to go out on loan. And I know McDermott has been championing this for ages.
Question, are you including McDermott in that?

Interesting to hear the bit on KWP. As I said previously there is always a logic (even if we disagree) why decisions are made.
 

muppetman

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Just looking in the loan thread and we have Luke Amos, George Marsh, Jack Clarke, Jack Roles, Anthony Georgiou, Kaziah Sterling and Cameron Carter-Vickers all out on loan.

Last year we also had Marcus Edwards, Josh Onomah, Shayon Harrison, Kaziah Sterling, Sam Shashoua, Luke Amos, Anthony Georgiou and Connor Ogilvie.

Are we perhaps learning the error of our ways and starting to give some of our guys consistent time playing meaningful football?
 

Hercules

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Question, are you including McDermott in that?

Interesting to hear the bit on KWP. As I said previously there is always a logic (even if we disagree) why decisions are made.
Question, are you including McDermott in that?

Interesting to hear the bit on KWP. As I said previously there is always a logic (even if we disagree) why decisions are made.
No!
 

Phil_2.0

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Chelsea have far superior talent in their academy, Tottenham simply don't have the same Academy budget that Chelsea do.

Its obvious to see that Spurs don't have the quality in their academy and I know people in this thread want to believe different but the ability is not there.

Pochettino is stifling youth players there is no question of that but hes only stifling some average players pathway to the first team. Abraham, Mount, Tomori and Hudson-Odoi are great prospects, Tottenham have nobody near that level other than Parrott.
 

edson

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Chelsea have far superior talent in their academy, Tottenham simply don't have the same Academy budget that Chelsea do.

Its obvious to see that Spurs don't have the quality in their academy and I know people in this thread want to believe different but the ability is not there.

Pochettino is stifling youth players there is no question of that but hes only stifling some average players pathway to the first team. Abraham, Mount, Tomori and Hudson-Odoi are great prospects, Tottenham have nobody near that level other than Parrott.
 

Phil_2.0

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If you believe that Bennett is close to CHO or Mount in ability you have to reevaluate your process in appraising footballers.

Spurs have a certain philosophy when it comes to their academy and its not as high powered as the top European academies, to pretend that we possess the same quality as those academies you are fooling yourself.

Pochettino has been poor the last couple of seasons in transitioning a few players into the first team squad but the ceiling of the players hes failed are not that high, plus the mitigating circumstances of Spurs chasing trophies means its not a high cost grievance.

If Poch had supressed CHO or RLC then it would be outrageous but not giving Oakley-Boothe or Onomah 1k minutes is not something to cry about.
 

Blake Griffin

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Tbf with KWP, he has not done himself any favours. Not even cutting it in training. He badly needs a loan.

not cutting it from what point? three years ago? two years? one? last month? if he wasn't "cutting it" from the start then why keep him around for so long and deny him the chance to play elsewhere? if it's a more recent thing then i don't see how he could have been deemed to be doing fine all this time and then suddenly not, unless he's just given up after being effectively dumped out of the 1st team picture - in which case i can't really blame him.
 

Hercules

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not cutting it from what point? three years ago? two years? one? last month? if he wasn't "cutting it" from the start then why keep him around for so long and deny him the chance to play elsewhere? if it's a more recent thing then i don't see how he could have been deemed to be doing fine all this time and then suddenly not, unless he's just given up after being effectively dumped out of the 1st team picture - in which case i can't really blame him.
Nốt cutting ít in training apparently
 

coys200

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What kind of disparity are we talking numbers wise on contracts. How much would we offer someone like Parrott compared to Chelsea ?
 

EQP

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Nốt cutting ít in training apparently

Don't blame him really. He can give his all in training and for his efforts he'll be rewarded by seeing one of Serge/Foyth/Sissoko selected ahead of him or he can do the minimum and see Serge/Foyth/Sissoko selected ahead of him.
 

bceej

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Was Jaden brown released by us or did Huddersfield pay a fee?

He was sold. I imagine with a large sell-on %.

Think the same kind of deal as Edwards and Shashoua has been done. Almost like an inflated development fee.
 
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