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Should Poch stay or go?

  • Stay

    Votes: 657 55.3%
  • Go

    Votes: 532 44.7%

  • Total voters
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Donki

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Yep, we’re not a project anymore. We’ve got big players now, we need a big manager.

Have you seen how Jose reacts when he does get money but not enough? Imagine how he reacts when he gets nothing? Would be a shit show, did you not see what went on at United? Can't believe some are even contemplating it, not to mention Jose is the definition of anti-football.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I’m not against the idea of Allegri, I just think I’d go for Mourinho at this moment in time.
Yea he knows the league better and speaks English and has a point to prove after his man.u time even though looking at that now coming 2nd with that mess of a squad and winning 3 trophies is way better than anyone else has done since fergie so that says a lot for me, the issue seems to be with Jose that it all falls apart after a few years but right now our squad is a bit of a mess and I think a short term approach is fine, Chelsea have done that for years and they won tons, you don’t always have to build a ‘project’ and new chapter.

I absolouely see why poch would’ve left if we’d won the CL now as he could see he couldn’t take us any further and things were going stale so a great time to walk after a lot of effort and success through challenging off the field times, real shame we didn’t win that to top off his tenure but now it’s all going downhill and we need a change. Jose still has a few big jobs in him and I’d love to see him given a go, sure it’s a risk but aside from alegri I can’t see many other managers of that level available. We tried to get Jose as manager for years, now is our chance.

People like Kane etc may also stick around for a few more years if someone like Jose walks in as manager.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Have you seen how Jose reacts when he does get money but not enough? Imagine how he reacts when he gets nothing? Would be a shit show, did you not see what went on at United? Can't believe some are even contemplating it, not to mention Jose is the definition of anti-football.
he’d not get nothing though would he as we have a decent budget and also tons of players to move off the wage bill.
 

Donki

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he’d not get nothing though would he as we have a decent budget and also tons of players to move off the wage bill.

He didn't get nothing at United, He bought players then didn't play them Bailly, Fred, Sanchez then went on the media saying how he needed this and needed that. Jose is a cheque book manager, we are not the club for him.
 

Cambridge Spur

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Have you seen how Jose reacts when he does get money but not enough? Imagine how he reacts when he gets nothing? Would be a shit show, did you not see what went on at United? Can't believe some are even contemplating it, not to mention Jose is the definition of anti-football.
I just think he would be perfect for us right now. He has often commented on the quality of our squad and even stated whilst at Man Utd that we wouldn’t sell him any of our players. Contrary to what some believe, I think we have one of the best squads in the league, we don’t need major surgery.
 

midoNdefoe

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Mar 9, 2005
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Is the 4-2-3-1 people are calling for the same turgid one which lead to a series of 0-1 defeats from teams parking the bus and us not breaking them down? That lead to everyone asking for 4-3-3, which is basically what we played last night...

The way I see it, Poch has been the spring for all the good that has happened at this club the last 5 years. Getting rid of him in the hope that Eriksen might get good again and stay or whatever the hope is for the Poch out gaggle seems wildly optimistic.

For me, It comes down to the fact that Poch seems dismayed at not being able to fully refresh the squad as he hoped. Now we’ve got a bunch of half-arsed players and players not yet up to speed playing together in a disjointed team.

It would be utter suicide and the start of full capitulation as a club if we boot Poch now, IMO.
 

Donki

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I just think he would be perfect for us right now. He has often commented on the quality of our squad and even stated whilst at Man Utd that we wouldn’t sell him any of our players. Contrary to what some believe, I think we have one of the best squads in the league, we don’t need major surgery.

Apart from basically a new back 4? Rose was to be sold, Aurier wants out, Toby wants out and I have no idea where Verts' head has gone. We don't just need surgery, we need a complete defensive transplant.

So we have,

KWP
Sanchez
Foyth
Davies

Sorry that is not good enough.
 

midoNdefoe

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I just think he would be perfect for us right now. He has often commented on the quality of our squad and even stated whilst at Man Utd that we wouldn’t sell him any of our players. Contrary to what some believe, I think we have one of the best squads in the league, we don’t need major surgery.

But the reason you think that is because Poch has had players operating at 150% of their potential a lot of the time.
It’s what Fergie had, players like O’Shea and cleverley playing well above their ability...
 

tooey

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I can see no real positives to changing managers mid season. Any new manager will still have to deal with the same playing squad and same contractual issues. If the wheels completely fall off then we need to change it up in the summer.
 

Thewobbler

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Apart from basically a new back 4? Rose was to be sold, Aurier wants out, Toby wants out and I have no idea where Verts' head has gone. We don't just need surgery, we need a complete defensive transplant.

So we have,

KWP
Sanchez
Foyth
Davies

Sorry that is not good enough.

KWP wont make it here and ill be surprised if he is still here next season. Whilst were at it might as well sell davies.

poch thinks this season is tough, imagine next summer when he has to replace up to 6 players.
 

PLTuck

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Aug 22, 2006
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Stay but if we don't see some dramatic improvements over the next few weeks (international break notwithstanding) then even I will accept that he is done.
 

VegasII

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It’s an interesting one...

I think of Jol’s last season, Harry with England job, Poch binning Adebayor, Kaboul etc.

This seems to be a combination of elements from those eras. I think Levy will continue to back Poch, however if the results continue to slide then something will give from one of them.

If we need a new manager then Levy would either go for a big name to keep us competing or go for someone to rebuild and push us forward. I suspect he’ll go with the big name to compete.
 

McFlash

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Oct 19, 2005
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What’s wrong?
Poch seems to be insistent on making the damned diamond formation work and is seemingly willing to forego results, and possibly his relationship with some players, in his stubbornness to be proved right.
Plus, his selection of players - if you want to play a diamond, at least try it with Dier at the base, someone who is actually a decent shield for the formation.
Not to mention his bizarre substitutions, which sometimes seem to he change for changes sake, not for any obvious tactical benefit.
 

thelak

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I just think he would be perfect for us right now. He has often commented on the quality of our squad and even stated whilst at Man Utd that we wouldn’t sell him any of our players. Contrary to what some believe, I think we have one of the best squads in the league, we don’t need major surgery.

It has gone stale and we never recovered from Walker going and Dier/Wanyama dropping off in terms of how defensively weak we are now

Combined with weird tactics vs the original high press high energy WBs 4-2-3-1 formation and for periods 5 at the back that worked vs the current low intensity diamond
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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In phase one of Poch’s time here he spent time getting rid of players he felt didn’t have the right personality and built a team in his image.

We pressed intensely and became regular top four.

Now part of the team Poch built no longer wants to be here and a few aren’t up to the level for where we are now.

If Poch has it in him to rebuild then he should stay.
 

journeyman

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There was a bloody good reason Fergie was given all the time in the world and that was 38 trophies in a 26 year period V's Poch's Nil trophies and umpteen excuses!

It was 4 years before Fergie won any trophy and 7 years before he won the league. He got the time.
 

John48

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Not in favour of sacking managers mid-season & my ire is more focussed towards Levy & Co for not helping Poch refresh the squad at the right time, which for me was TW the summer a season or so ago. The squad & team are showing all of the classic signs of going stale/standing still. Plus the players we've brought in aren't ready to really push those in possession of the shirt.

N'Dombele looked good in the 1st half & shows signs of being a decent player for us, but he can't do it on his own & he has to be a 90min player to really help us.
 

Hercules

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I want to see him turn it around with wins in our next 2 PL games, and home win in CL. If not then we have an ISSUE!

From a commercial POV, and how our sponsorships work, ie NIKE, we can’t afford to be underperforming miserably, and out the T4. We would then need to consider a proven winner manager, who knows the PL. And I know names have been discussed on this thread. From a corporate standpoint, I see only one available, and that is Mourinho. That is not me suggesting we go for him. But if it was a choice between him and let’s say Eddie Howe, I know who I would prefer.

Add to that Mr Daniel Levy is not going to change his modus operandi in the way he deals. And the CE, TA’s situation lays plainly at his feet. And I said 3 years ago in certain quarters, he would not be signing another contract beyond that one.

So if it goes worst with Poch, very quick decisions needs to be made. Hence, why I want him to turn it around. Unfortunately I am not that confident, simply due to his blind stubbornness with the diamond, and blind friggin loyalty to certain players.
 
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