Hakkz
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I don't see the point of these crazy training sessions that seemingly just drain the players' energy when we don't use it in games anyway. Energetic is not a word I would use to describe this team.
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I don't see the point of these crazy training sessions that seemingly just drain the players' energy when we don't use it in games anyway. Energetic is not a word I would use to describe this team.
WiganSpur
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In a sense I agree but I don’t think Dier is the solution either, at least as the first choice in the position. We are badly missing what Liverpool and City have. Robust DMs who are comfortable in possession.
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"Remember, this is Tottenham Hotspur not Tottenham Pochspur" Alan Partridge is among us! 
mrlilywhite
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Granted and I take your points on board - however, my post was more directed at the fact you can't compare Fergie to Poch regardless of the era.
regarding competing with the clubs mentioned above I have always thought that we as a club were/are building a future of self-sustainability. I fully understand we are not in the same financial position as those clubs, but with the right men at the club, we can have something to build to. My opinion is that those men are not Poch and his backroom staff. In all honesty, I have been one of his biggest critics, but willing to let my own beliefs take a back seat when we were performing well, however, I have never been under the illusion that Poch was going to be a long term success. When a manager relies entirely on a system that demands absolute commitment and peak fitness to last 90 mins in a high-intensity press, then something invariably breaks. It wasn't that long ago that you could see the wheels starting to fall off.
There was a time when we were beating teams physically and mentally in the last moments of games. Physically we could compete with all of them and we were like a pack of lions pressing every ball and in turn, forcing the opposition to turn over possession at will. Even Eriksen back then was at it. In essence, we were winning games with a defensive solidity that we have not seen before combined with a terrifying accuracy in front of goal, WHL was a fortress and no more 3pt lane. The team seemingly had everything and it was due to the high-intensity press.
Fast forward to the current day and you can see why Poch was never a long term solution. He has never found an answer to replace the high press. The problem with the Poch system is that unless you have young, physically and mentally strong players who are totally committed to your system, then the flaws of the Poch press are terribly exposed. If you want evidence of the system when it breaks you need to look no further than last night. After a pulsating 30 mins where we played with real intensity and looked like scoring more, it suddenly started to look very troubling. Players were exhausted and you can point at Saturday's game for some of the answers for sure, but the bottom line is that now we don't have the players that were once touted as winning something for sure. The answer on paper is simple, get rid of the players that can't hack it anymore and bring in young blood which can, but in reality, it becomes an exercise in recycling and a costly one too, therefore the real answer is to get someone in who can maintain players, is tactically astute and can keep a squad together without breaking them.
Apologies for going off on a tandem with my reply, but I think most of us can see that we are at the end of an era now under Poch and only time stands in the way of the next project under someone else.
The truth is we do need to start again... I wont say we have gone back to the start of Poch's tenure but we have gone back a couple of years because of the lack of activity and refreshing the squad. I dont know who is to blame but to be honest its not about blame now, it is about how we can go forward
What is the point of this thread. Something is wrong. It is the fact we have not invested in new full backs. Poch's diamond only work when you have capable full backs. Aurier is not that. Rose is getting old and never was a great crosser of the ball.
Hakkz
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You have no evidence that Poch's diamond would ever work.
How stupid would you have to be to play a tactic when you don't have the players for it?
mike_l
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Do you not find it worrying that our manager persists with the shitty diamond despite not having the key components for it? Do you not think he should work out a formation that suits the players at his disposal?
So that's it then? The "project" is over? The momentum of our rise over the last 4(ish) years took us way higher than we expected (aka. we overachieved, aka. we punched above our weight, aka. we also had a bit of luck) and are now returning to the correct level of buoyancy?
#pochin
#pochin
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Plenty of viable options. The potential act of sourcing a new manager is the least of my concerns on Tottenham's behalf right now.
Highly doubt we've overachieved. We have achieved very, very, very well. Indeed. But doubt in reality that we have severely outperformed a plausible "as normal" scenario.
OK, maybe we don't win trophies. But if we capitulate and lose the way we did to teams like Bayern, then who are we? What's left?
mike_l
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I'd love to know from the in brigade what they have seen in the last 12 months that makes them believe he'll turn this form around?
No, not joking. We've got the best manager this club has had for years, has taken us to heights that we really didnt expect so therefore in my opinion deserves the time to work out what isnt right and rebuild.
That is not to say I think he gets it right all of the time or makes odd choices
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He makes a fair point, who steps in?
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Out.
When the motivator can't motivate anymore, as the players don't believe in his system. And then HE stills keep being so f******* stubborn he has to go, simple as that.
He's a tactical very limited manager, always has been, and when he can't see clear problems right in front of him it's time to walk away.
#pochout
When the motivator can't motivate anymore, as the players don't believe in his system. And then HE stills keep being so f******* stubborn he has to go, simple as that.
He's a tactical very limited manager, always has been, and when he can't see clear problems right in front of him it's time to walk away.
#pochout
mike_l
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There are 2 out of work managers straight away that have actually won things at multiple clubs in Allegri and Mourinho. Do you really think that if Poch went we'd be up shit creek unable to attract a manager? Par for this squad should be third place, any competent manager would get CL pretty easily with these players IMO.
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Great post.. Totally agree with your observations
mike_l
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Hell, I'd even go as far as to say Tactics Tim wield manage it...
Donki
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You think Jose and Levy would hit it off? You think Allegri would jump straight in while United is a possibility? Plus both play a style off football that isn't exactly wank worthy.
