The Mauricio Pochettino thread

spids · Sep 29, 2019

C0YS said:
Ok

Berbatov was moved on after he hit 30 and was very much a bit part player by then. Making only 12 appearances in the league that season.

Kanchelskis had a falling out with Ferguson, nothing to do with ability or strategy.

Sheringham was in his mid-thirties but was offered a contract, but refused. No attempt to move him on.

Cole, was a bit part player when he moved on. Becoming 4th choice.

Yorke bit part player when he left. Possibly frozen out because of a rumored falling out in his last season. But had already began to lose his spot before then after some poor performances.

Van Persie - not sold under Fegerson but rather under van gaal. Wasn't a starter when he left, but rather was used in rotation for two successive seasons. Left in his mid-thirties.

Stam - Valid but 'JAAP STAM WAS THE ONE. Without a question, I made a mistake there'. - Alex Ferguson

Van Nistelrooy - Valid. Though again, partly caused by a falling out.

Vernon - He never performed well at Man Utd. Flopped there. Never actually established himself as a starter only used in rotation.

Tevez - He was loaned to Man Utd for two seasons. He was offered a contract at Man Utd, but refused and made the choice to go to city.

Being generous I'd say maybe 4 of those prove your point. But that is a very generous interpretation. You always had to be on Ferguson's side, if you turned against him you were out. He did refresh his squads a little bit, though the core of a team would only infrequently change, and infact if you at his sides the players outside his core often were not all that good but offered useful things for the squad and their deficiencies were masked by a super-strong core.

He didn't normally just discard big players in refreshing his team. Rather they would be phased out and eventually let go. People like Stam were let go only because a lot of money was offered and he was deemed replaceable. Not as a preplanned move. The thing is I think Poch does want to refresh the squad. It's just for whatever reason this hasn't been possible. He clearly wants some players out and some in.

I’ll leave Sir Alex to speak for himself on this topic. He famously said (when reflecting on his success and longevity)...

“I believe that the cycle of a successful team lasts maybe four years and then some change is needed. So we tried to visualise the team three or four years ahead and make decisions accordingly. Because I was at United for such a long time, I could afford to plan ahead. I was very fortunate in that respect. The hardest thing is to let go of a player who has been a great guy – but all the evidence is on the field."

What I have been saying is that teams need to change every 3 or 4 years otherwise players become stale. The majority of our matchday players used so far this season are now into their 6th season with Poch. I’m not blaming Poch, I’m blaming Poch and Levy. But the whole first team inc. the manager are stale and do not have the same positive energy of 2015/16 or 2016/17.

Metalhead · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
Allegedly. As I say. Only repeating what I was told from a reliable source.

I suppose as with most rumours, only time will tell. Happy to be proven wrong.

It's ok - it's just sometimes it's hard to tell when people are joking.

C0YS · Sep 29, 2019

spids said:
I’ll leave Sir Alex to speak for himself on this topic. He famously said (when reflecting on his success and longevity)...

“I believe that the cycle of a successful team lasts maybe four years and then some change is needed. So we tried to visualise the team three or four years ahead and make decisions accordingly. Because I was at United for such a long time, I could afford to plan ahead. I was very fortunate in that respect. The hardest thing is to let go of a player who has been a great guy – but all the evidence is on the field."

I'm not disagreeing with that. It's just changing your team, is not getting rid of your best players. Its to slowly adjust, to change styles and adapt. When you visualize this change, this literally buying people early, bedding them into the squad to later form a big part of new cycle. This is the position foyth, sanchez, winks etc. are in now. The plan is for them to take the reigns of a new core in the future. But this is not an immediate thing.

The weird thing is Poch is clearly trying to renew the squad and create a new cycle. This is what he is trying to do. But this doesn't mean, idk, get rid of key players for it. Just those that don't fit in a future vision. Change does not mean a radical overhaul of players.

srups34 · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
So I have my first piece of ITK.

To surmise. Poch returned to pre-season (post UCL final), with what has been described as as “attitude problem”. His usual player centric mantra had changed and in doing so, upset a lot of the players. Namely Kane and Alli.

Subsequently Levy has had to field several disgruntled player one-to-ones including an irate Kane.

As it goes, Kane being the most disgruntled and bemused player serves Levy with an ultimatum. “He (Poch) goes or me...and by January”.

Levy calls Poch for crisis talks and to thrash out what’s changed. Poch’s team have Utd on high alert.

Do not be surprised to see Poch replaced by Xmas. Will no doubt be interesting to see how this plays out.

Someones had you :LOL:

C0YS · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
Who said agent? “People” can be close family & friends or merely an adviser?

Do you seriously think Poch sits round the table and thrashes our his own contract?

Number crunching with % increases and such like?

Deluded.

Most of us negotiate our own contracts. I don't think this number crunching is as hard as you make it out, definitely not as much as agents make their clients believe.

On the second question apparently that's exactly what he does.

Pochettino: I am my own agent

Mauricio Pochettino believes he is best placed to decide what is best for his career, but says he is keen to stay at Totteham.

www.fourfourtwo.com

spids · Sep 29, 2019

C0YS said:
I'm not disagreeing with that. It's just changing your team, is not getting rid of your best players. Its to slowly adjust, to change styles and adapt. When you visualize this change, this literally buying people early, bedding them into the squad to later form a big part of new cycle. This is the position foyth, sanchez, winks etc. are in now. The plan is for them to take the reigns of a new core in the future. But this is not an immediate thing.

The weird thing is Poch is clearly trying to renew the squad and create a new cycle. This is what he is trying to do. But this doesn't mean, idk, get rid of key players for it. Just those that don't fit in a future vision. Change does not mean a radical overhaul of players.

I’m not saying we should get rid of our best players though. Or that we should replace anyone with existing younger players. I’m saying that the first team squad is stale as we’ve gone too long without refreshing it. Eriksen is a classic example. Been here 7 years. Publicly said he wants a new challenge. Won’t sign a new contract . Performances have waned the last 10 months or so. And yet Poch still has him in the team and relies on him to be our main creative force. Fergie would have moved him on last summer and replaced him with a top tier and hungry replacement.

TPdYID · Sep 29, 2019

srups34 said:
Someones had you

Coz I’ve lumped on serious ££.
It’s make or break whether this comes in.

Or? Maybe it was said and I thought it worth sharing. Didn’t realise it was going to upset the resident bed-wetters.

wrd · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
Coz I’ve lumped on serious ££.
It’s make or break whether this comes in.

Or? Maybe it was said and I thought it worth sharing. Didn’t realise it was going to upset the resident bed-wetters.

Imagine buying into what you posted and then calling people bed wetters :LOL:

I reckon you're an arsenal fan who fancied baiting

TPdYID · Sep 29, 2019

C0YS said:
Most of us negotiate our own contracts. I don't think this number crunching is as hard as you make it out, definitely not as much as agents make their clients believe.

On the second question apparently that's exactly what he does.

Pochettino: I am my own agent

Mauricio Pochettino believes he is best placed to decide what is best for his career, but says he is keen to stay at Totteham.

www.fourfourtwo.com

So you’re of the opinion Poch doesn’t consult any member of a legal team or financial advisers?

Genuine question. Find it hard to believe people would be this ignorant.

I mean I re-mortgage every so many years, it’s my house, my mortgage and therefore my loan.

I still speak to a broker...

srups34 · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
Coz I’ve lumped on serious ££.
It’s make or break whether this comes in.

Or? Maybe it was said and I thought it worth sharing. Didn’t realise it was going to upset the resident bed-wetters.

It hasn't upset me it's just all this sort of bullshit comes out when the chips are down.

spids · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
Coz I’ve lumped on serious ££.
It’s make or break whether this comes in.

Or? Maybe it was said and I thought it worth sharing. Didn’t realise it was going to upset the resident bed-wetters.

I think the main issue is saying you have ITK without verifying your source with the site admins .... anyone can claim to have info that could be BS. You going to say what your source is? I hope it’s more solid than my mate plays golf with Harry’s agent or similar.

wrd · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
So you’re of the opinion Poch doesn’t consult any member of a legal team or financial advisers?

Genuine question. Find it hard to believe people would be this ignorant.

I mean I re-mortgage every so many years, it’s my house, my mortgage and therefore my loan.

I still speak to a broker...

“The best agent for me is myself,” said Pochettino. “I negotiate for me and my people. I fight more for them than for myself. The money is not important for me – for them, yes.

“I had an agent when I was a player, but when I stopped playing football, I stopped my relationship with my agent. Always one agent I had. I want to manage my life. I’m not disagreeing with the managers that have an agent, but I think I can deal with the offer myself.”

Poch's own words have undone your nonsense, you lost move on.

spids · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
So you’re of the opinion Poch doesn’t consult any member of a legal team or financial advisers?

Genuine question. Find it hard to believe people would be this ignorant.

I mean I re-mortgage every so many years, it’s my house, my mortgage and therefore my loan.

I still speak to a broker...

I have a financial advisor but when I am negotiating a work contract I do it myself. Why pay someone 10% for nothing?

TPdYID · Sep 29, 2019

wrd said:
“The best agent for me is myself,” said Pochettino. “I negotiate for me and my people. I fight more for them than for myself. The money is not important for me – for them, yes.

“I had an agent when I was a player, but when I stopped playing football, I stopped my relationship with my agent. Always one agent I had. I want to manage my life. I’m not disagreeing with the managers that have an agent, but I think I can deal with the offer myself.”

Poch's own words have undone your nonsense, you lost move on.

Agent this, agent that...

Who said what about an agent.

Through fear of repeating myself. Quote me facts not what you want to read. A few likes on SC does not validate your importance.

Gareth88 · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
Agent this, agent that...

Who said what about an agent.

Through fear of repeating myself. Quote me facts not what you want to read. A few likes on SC does not validate your importance.

You just dug your own grave asking for facts while posting about rumours/whispers you heard

spursfan77 · Sep 29, 2019

entertaining.

wrd · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
Agent this, agent that...

Who said what about an agent.

Through fear of repeating myself. Quote me facts not what you want to read. A few likes on SC does not validate your importance.

You did when you mentioned Poch's team, he is his team, try and spin that anyway you want comparing Poch to the person who advised you on your basement dwelling but he's gone on record several times to talk about this sort of thing including his book where he talks about how Spurs contacted him.

Dillspur · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
So you’re of the opinion Poch doesn’t consult any member of a legal team or financial advisers?

Genuine question. Find it hard to believe people would be this ignorant.

I mean I re-mortgage every so many years, it’s my house, my mortgage and therefore my loan.

I still speak to a broker...

Do you speak to your broker about a new job and ask him to speak to their people?

Your "ITK" suggests Poch's people are looking at making contact with UTD, he doesn't have an agent, so would his financial advisers do it on his behalf? Poch doesn't employ an agent and I would think he hasn't given anyone permission to talk to UTD on his behalf.

TPdYID · Sep 29, 2019

Gareth88 said:
You just dug your own grave asking for facts while posting about rumours/whispers you heard

Heaven forbid somebody uses a fans forum to discuss something other then what is “factually correct”.

Lighten up a little. The idea is to discuss all things Spurs. Is it really worth giving rectum spasms due to something which goes against the happy-clappers agenda?

Like I said, breathe, breathe.

Gareth88 · Sep 29, 2019

TPdYID said:
Heaven forbid somebody uses a fans forum to discuss something other then what is “factually correct”.

Lighten up a little. The idea is to discuss all things Spurs. Is it really worth giving rectum spasms due to something which goes against the happy-clappers agenda?

Like I said, breathe, breathe.

I am quite light my friend just pointing out you lost the argument but you probably didn't notice from your defensive position. ?

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