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Match Prediction

  • Spurs win

    Votes: 36 33.3%
  • Leicester win

    Votes: 29 26.9%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 42 38.9%
  • Goalless Draw

    Votes: 1 0.9%

  • Total voters
    108
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pjoffre

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But VAR is there for clear and obvious errors, being 10mm offside (he wasn’t offside by the way) isn’t a clear and obvious enough error to have it ruled out.
Clear and obvious error doesn't apply for offside calls. It's simply; is he/isn't he?

It can certainly be argued that the system isn't, or cannot be accurate enough at those small margins, but they were correct to refer it, even if we don't agree with the outcome.
 

SugarRay

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I’m starting to think we simply aren’t as good as many think we are.

It’s been too long for it be a patch of form. 2019, by and large has been poor. In fact, it’s not been good enough. Even for a top 6 side.

Very rarely do teams recover from such a poor run either unfortunately. I envisage major changes in the next 12 months. Thing is it feels like the team we all loved over the past few years is over anyway, so it’s not all that hard to take.
 

SugarRay

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Without those two we'd be even worse. Alderweireld has been our best player this season.

I agree with Toby. Not so much Jan, who has been ok at best.

They need someone infont of them. Wanyama coming on quite possibly lost us this game
 

shelfboy68

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I’m starting to think we simply aren’t as good as many think we are.

It’s been too long for it be a patch of form. 2019, by and large has been poor. In fact, it’s not been good enough. Even for a top 6 side.

Very rarely do teams recover from such a poor run either unfortunately. I envisage major changes in the next 12 months. Thing is it feels like the team we all loved over the past few years is over anyway, so it’s not all that hard to take.
It's more than a bad run it's more a slow decline not helped by refusing to recruit for two windows along with the manager losing his way and tactics.
 

SugarRay

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I absolutely hate football sometimes. I can feel I'm losing years of my life the way watching this

Er, you’re not used to it by now? It’s Tottenham mate. Always fuck it up. I actually get more anxious when play well and start looking like we’re going to do something. For the majority of Poch’s reign I’ve been a nervous wreck.

This lot I watch now though...far more comforting. More like the Tottenham I know and love from the 92-05 prem years. ?
 

stevenurse

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Can only be 'a worry' for so long. Big changes are needed. The squad is stale and needs freshening up. His selections and decisions have become ridiculous, it sounds like squad harmony has been lost and I honestly wouldn't be upset if we made a change before its too late. Its sad but what other 'big' club would accept 1 away league win (which was a fortunate 94th minute winner) in the last 9 months? I know I'll get shot down for it but fuck it, this can't continue. Big decisions need to be made.
 

SugarRay

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It's more than a bad run it's more a slow decline not helped by refusing to recruit for two windows along with the manager losing his way and tactics.

That’s sort of my point mate. I believe it’s over. The era of us almost winning stuff is over and the team is getting worse. I genuinely believe Kane, Son, Winks, NDombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon are the core going forward, supplemented by a couple of old timers who will soon be gone along with a few younger lads coming through. Dele? I’d cash in ASAP before his value gets any lower.

Fresh ideas/players/manager(?) are needed. Who knows? Maybe we might take that final step and win something?
 

bubble07

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I've been thinking this since the CL final. Change is needed. I want Zidane to flop and Madrid to buy out Poch contract and we use that for Mourinho. Players are getting too comfortable. They need a new headmaster
 

shelfboy68

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That’s sort of my point mate. I believe it’s over. The era of us almost winning stuff is over and the team is getting worse. I genuinely believe Kane, Son, Winks, NDombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon are the core going forward, supplemented by a couple of old timers who will soon be gone along with a few younger lads coming through. Dele? I’d cash in ASAP before his value gets any lower.

Fresh ideas/players/manager(?) are needed. Who knows? Maybe we might take that final step and win something?
Trouble is this patience rhetoric is wearing thin now there is always something we are waiting for nothing ever just happens in the moment for us.
 

Seafordian Spurs

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Er, you’re not used to it by now? It’s Tottenham mate. Always fuck it up. I actually get more anxious when play well and start looking like we’re going to do something. For the majority of Poch’s reign I’ve been a nervous wreck.

This lot I watch now though...far more comforting. More like the Tottenham I know and love from the 92-05 prem years. ?

Yes, it's reassuring how shit we are now. Waves of nostalgia.

?
 

SugarRay

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I've been thinking this since the CL final. Change is needed. I want Zidane to flop and Madrid to buy out Poch contract and we use that for Mourinho. Players are getting too comfortable. They need a new headmaster

Poch is currently ballsing up his audition
 

shelfboy68

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That’s sort of my point mate. I believe it’s over. The era of us almost winning stuff is over and the team is getting worse. I genuinely believe Kane, Son, Winks, NDombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon are the core going forward, supplemented by a couple of old timers who will soon be gone along with a few younger lads coming through. Dele? I’d cash in ASAP before his value gets any lower.

Fresh ideas/players/manager(?) are needed. Who knows? Maybe we might take that final step and win something?
Can't see them moving for him now they normally prefer proven track record of winning which poch has an X in that box although if he had won the CL they might have considered it but now he can't sort out what he has.
 

SugarRay

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Yes, it's reassuring how shit we are now. Waves of nostalgia.

?

To be fair we’re not exactly as bad as them days, or even a bad side overall. But you just know we’ll throw it away and concede ridiculous goals at the most ridiculous times and fail to see it out.
There’s a culture of nearly doing something at the club, always failing at the last hurdle and it’s getting worse. The way it’s going we won’t get anywhere near the final hurdle in order to inevitably trip over it!

Lot to do with the players. Poch is partly responsible of course but the players can’t get off Scot free. They all seem happy to look around asking why we always lose...here’s a fucking clue lads, it’s always you same lot on the pitch! Common theme me thinks?
 

JayB

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Sorry but I am pretty adamant that he was not offside. The low quality of the VAR 'lines' shows what guess work this decision was. That is what is criminal - all this technology and they effectively guessed. It is not what VAR is intended for. VAR is for correcting clear and obvious errors. Like the Leicester goal where 4 of them were miles offside, inc. Perez who got to the rebound first.

From the daily fail on Son's offside:

"Then VAR became involved. A frame was selected. A line drawn from where the VAR imagined Son's shoulder was, the arm not counting for offside. And by the margin of perhaps a centimetre an offside was called. After all, it either is or it isn't: isn't it? Except, we now know, that it isn't. To recap, the frame rate of 50 per second. Son is running at about 18mph. The margin of error is therefore is around 6cm. What the frame selected actually shows is that Son is probably onside when the ball is played."

With Son's offside (below) he is clearly level with the defender. Anyone could draw a chunky line liek the ones below to show he is onside or offside depending on their allegiance. Or what line they put down first, or how clunky their mouse was. It is inaccurate and that is what is unacceptable about it.

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Fantastic post. The fundamental problem with the VAR offside checks is that they don't account for any margin of error at all.

The still-frame image that was used for the check is pixelated and ill-suited to determining positioning down to the millimeter, not to mention the fact that it was itself selected arbitrarily. The cameras used for tennis replays record at 120 frames per second (record rate and broadcast rate are two different things), so let's say the same is true for football. If we assume that the foot coming into contact with the ball takes place over the course of one tenth of one second then there were a dozen different frames that could have reasonably been selected for analysis. Any one of the other 11 frames very well could have made the difference.

NBC also reported that the locations from which the vertical lines are drawn are determined by a human operator, and there's no way that they can consistently get the determination perfectly right, down to the millimeter. I'd argue that the middle of Evans's thigh is protruding out further than his knee, which is where the vertical line was drawn. Again that can be a difference of millimeters. It's subject to human error and will never be perfect.

The offside law has always accounted for these situations by saying that when players are level the attacker is onside, yet the PL seems to be tacitly rejecting that "level" is even possible. Proceeding as though there's absolute certainty when there will always, always be some reasonable margin of error is completely absurd.
 

shelfboy68

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To be fair we’re not exactly as bad as them days, or even a bad side overall. But you just know we’ll throw it away and concede ridiculous goals at the most ridiculous times and fail to see it out.
There’s a culture of nearly doing something at the club, always failing at the last hurdle and it’s getting worse. The way it’s going we won’t get anywhere near the final hurdle in order to inevitably trip over it!

Lot to do with the players. Poch is partly responsible of course but the players can’t get off Scot free. They all seem happy to look around asking why we always lose...here’s a fucking clue lads, it’s always you same lot on the pitch! Common theme me thinks?
Media, pundits and other clubs just laugh at us because we talk a good game but then fold up on a all too familiar basis we just don't have universal respect because we haven't earnt it.
 
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Sometimes players may lose faith in a manager's methods if they never win anything? Perhaps that's what's happened?

Everyone is kind of happy, but not fully trusting in the method. Hence why the philosophy has started to drift away.

But also the manager has become what seems like paranoid. And also we don't seem to buy players for certain systems anymore but have gone back to buying players in a director of football way of signing players that manager's have to adapt to. There is no way that we have a balanced midfield.

Guardiola and Klopp have a system and the players signed fit it. It seems like we've lost total trust in Poch.
 

Barrd10

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There is no way anybody can say for certain whether or not Son was offside. The angle used by the officials to make that decision is not accurate nor appropriate.

The only true way of having a review system that can correctly overrule an on field decision is to have a pitch side, photo-finish like camera that tracks play. It’s important to remember the official on the pitch, who has the best possible view, deemed it onside.

We can argue all day whether it was offside or not, but ultimately those saying it was offside, including the VAR team, had one incredibly angled still image to work with.

My final opinion is that it was completely incorrect to overrule the on-field decision.
Also how do they know when the ball has actually kicked. Milliseconds changes the situation too.
 

Seafordian Spurs

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To be fair we’re not exactly as bad as them days, or even a bad side overall. But you just know we’ll throw it away and concede ridiculous goals at the most ridiculous times and fail to see it out.
There’s a culture of nearly doing something at the club, always failing at the last hurdle and it’s getting worse. The way it’s going we won’t get anywhere near the final hurdle in order to inevitably trip over it!

Lot to do with the players. Poch is partly responsible of course but the players can’t get off Scot free. They all seem happy to look around asking why we always lose...here’s a fucking clue lads, it’s always you same lot on the pitch! Common theme me thinks?

I think the nearly men thing is a, er, thing with some basis.

Rooted in the fact that we simply won't buy or can't buy proven winners to help us get accross the line.

You could - rightly so- argue that now this team is experienced we should be able to get it (whatever it is) over the line.

Trouble is a hefty chunk of our senior players want out and that again is rooted in our pay structure as well as our perception as a football club.

Poch said we were way ahead of schedule.

I dunno.

I'm fucking pissed off to the point of abject despondency now.
 

dondo

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Without those two we'd be even worse. Alderweireld has been our best player this season.


Toby’s defending hasn’t been great for a while now. My opinion is his cultured passing and playing out from the back masks his defending
 
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