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If he doesn't score his tap in's or his pen yesterday England win by one goal - a tap in.

The fucking state of this thread.
 

SugarRay

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But a goal is a goal regardless of how it's scored. A penalties value in a game is worth the same as one scored from 50 yards. I don't understand how that solves anything. The best penalty taker in the world is a huge quality that gets undervalued for me. Goals from all angles, all legal body parts count so why shouldn't a penalty?

Are other strikers who have amazing records questioned because of their penalties? Aguero takes them for Man City doesn't he? I don't hear anyone mention his record minus penalties even though Kane has a better games to goals ratio than him at present.

A penalty scored winning a final still wins the final. Do we put in brackets trophies won based on penalties scored as well? Where does it stop once it's started? 3 points are 3 points at the end of the day, final wins are final wins and goals are goals. That's the fabric and makeup of the game. If they were that easy to score you'd never have a penalty shoutout end yet most do after the 5 penalty limit before sudden death. Taking penalties isn't anywhere near as easy as people make out and the scorer of one should get penalised because he was taking a penalty due to a punishment for a team illegally impeding their opposition. It doesn't need make sense to me

It’s what happens when people who shouldn’t follow football, do follow football only because it’s popular.

You can tell a real football fan apart from one of these modern types within seconds of talking to them. They’re stats obsessed, the latest edition of FIFA is an important part of the game and actually say things like CDM or AM in conversation...oh and they think penalties shouldn’t count!?
 

BringBack_leGin

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Kane scores penalties and tap ins. They still count, but you cannot possibly consider Kane to be in form. He doesnt score braces anymore. He doesnt score from anywhere anymore(besides the wonder goal in preseason). He hasnt been in form for a few years. Well at least i’d rather cling to that hope than the increasing by the day likelihood that this shell of a player is the new Kane. Maybe Kane just cant be that well rounded absurdly dangerous player who can take the game by the horns and produce magic anymore like he used to and like Aguero, Salah, etc do.
V Villa goal number 1 required quick thinking and incredible composure in a tight space, and goal number 2 was from outside the area. Oh, and that was a brace.

V Arsenal he was very unlucky not to score from an acute angle after a great 1-2 and turn, the ball hitting the post.

As for tap ins, anybody who says they are easy goals doesn’t understand football. The forward needs to time his run, stay onside, outmanoeuvre the defenders to be in space, have enough of an angle to not shoot straight at the goalie, have his feet sorted out for a quick first or second time strike and the still have the composure to place the goal.

Yesterday, for instance, Kane took the Sterling pass which was behind him on his right foot, which had far fewer options available to him than had it been his left foot, and arrows it into the far corner. Just because he made it look easy, doesn’t mean it is.

As for doing nothing else to get involved, I take it you missed his left footed cross to set up Sterling’s goal, or v Arsenal his inch perfect pass to Sissoko, who ballooned an easy shot.

Truth is, we’d all love to be watching the 16/17 Uber Kane, myself included, but we were spoilt with that. Almost no great goal scorer, including the two greatest currently playing, sustain that perpetual energy beyond their early career, I don’t know why but they don’t. They play in moments, whether goals or great skill/ passes, and conserve their energy to make the right runs at the right time. Had we never had the Uber Kane, and this version been the one we had for the past half decade, he’d be getting none of this ridiculous criticism and instead he’d be lauded as a great striker with a very good all round game.

If you compare this Kane to 16/17 Kane he’ll come up short, if you compare him to every other striker on the planet right now he’s still arguably the best, and definitely top 4/5.
 
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Blake Griffin

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I dont think they require a distinction although i see the point Penalties require skill though

well to be fair, if you were to look up yesterday's score/scorers for example it will read something along the lines of:

england 4-0 bulgaria
24' kane
50' kane (pen)
55' sterling
73' kane (pen)

so whilst the distinction isn't being made on an individual player's stats, it is and has been made in scoreline write-ups for as long as i can remember so people should perhaps ask themselves why that's only done for penalties and no other goal types, other than own goals.
 

Legacy

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Kane scores penalties and tap ins. They still count, but you cannot possibly consider Kane to be in form. He doesnt score braces anymore. He doesnt score from anywhere anymore(besides the wonder goal in preseason). He hasnt been in form for a few years. Well at least i’d rather cling to that hope than the increasing by the day likelihood that this shell of a player is the new Kane. Maybe Kane just cant be that well rounded absurdly dangerous player who can take the game by the horns and produce magic anymore like he used to and like Aguero, Salah, etc do.
He's literally scored more than once per game in 40% of the games he's played so far this season, and he very nearly had a brace against Arsenal when his sweetly hit shot hit the inside of the post.

He's been playing in a team that has started poorly with no creativity behind him and no intelligent movement around him.

It's no coincidence that he looked more dangerous yesterday with Sterling and Rashford making plenty of runs to free up space without him needing to drop into midfield.

He may not be at the peak of his powers at the moment, but he's also the biggest victim of our poor start and ridiculous insistence on a system that doesn't suit us.

EDIT: Just noticed that BringBack_leGin has made similar points. Great minds and all that.
 

allatsea

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As has already been said this thread has become embarrassing. Kane is the greatest goal scorer to play for Spurs and England since Jimmy Greaves. He is likely to overtake that goal scoring genius to become the scorer of the greatest number of goals for England and Spurs of all time. If folk can’t just sit back and enjoy him and bless themselves that he is Spurs then perhaps Spurs and football isn’t for them.
 

Timberwolf

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There will always be some hate for Kane and it's mostly opposition fans looking for a reason to hate him or England 'fans' who don't really understand football. I was watching some of his season goal compilations on Youtube (which are obviously amazing) and even there you find plenty of comments saying he's a tap-in merchant despite his huge variety of different types of goals, or that he's shit compared to Messi and Ronaldo despite no-one making the comparison.

If people want to hate something they won't let facts or truth get in the way.
 

buckley

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I believe that there is an underlying anti Kane agenda and it does not matter how he plays or how many goals he scores the haters will hate.
There are people that love the Salah / Mane / Aguero / type of flashy albeit brilliant players and its difficult for them to understand that the Kane / Shearer / type players will always endure as there game is based on simplicity without the flashy moments of others.
The greatest of my time and I think all time goalscorer was jimmy greaves and altho capable of great goals he was in many games anonymous but still managed a goal or two . That is the beauty of Kane just when you think he is off form he pops up with a hat trick .
And people still do not take into account his all round game where he can split a defence with a pass and work back to help the defence.
Kane is a gem a brilliant and wonderful player but it seems some expect him to be Messi or Ronaldo or Salah and he is not he is Harry Kane the main man.
 

hughy

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Kane scores penalties and tap ins. They still count, but you cannot possibly consider Kane to be in form. He doesnt score braces anymore. He doesnt score from anywhere anymore(besides the wonder goal in preseason). He hasnt been in form for a few years. Well at least i’d rather cling to that hope than the increasing by the day likelihood that this shell of a player is the new Kane. Maybe Kane just cant be that well rounded absurdly dangerous player who can take the game by the horns and produce magic anymore like he used to and like Aguero, Salah, etc do.
WUM.
 

Flashspur

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Have a look at @markdadude search history regarding Kane

Some weird agenda against him

Yes it certainly looks like that. My response to people like that is well he is Harry Kane one of the best strikers in the world and your an anonymous nobody posting shite on the internet.
 

montylynch

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Have I logged on to KUMB or RAWK... Fuck me, he's our Harry Kane.

I always thought a goal is when the ball crosses the line, regardless. You score a goal, its +1 in the column... Isn't it?? Pens and tap ins... You can tell its an international break, they're on cold turkey already....
 

DomXYZ

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Kane scores penalties and tap ins. They still count, but you cannot possibly consider Kane to be in form. He doesnt score braces anymore. He doesnt score from anywhere anymore(besides the wonder goal in preseason). He hasnt been in form for a few years. Well at least i’d rather cling to that hope than the increasing by the day likelihood that this shell of a player is the new Kane. Maybe Kane just cant be that well rounded absurdly dangerous player who can take the game by the horns and produce magic anymore like he used to and like Aguero, Salah, etc do.
I have no idea how people are still ignoring Kane’s form atm, maybe it’s down to the system, maybe he’s low on confidence, maybe his head is somewhere else, or maybe the injuries have gotten to him but his performances in games imo have not been there

The derby last week, he wasn’t pressing wasn’t chasing or harassing defenders and was anonymous for a majority of the game
 

Coyboy

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Kane scores penalties and tap ins. They still count, but you cannot possibly consider Kane to be in form. He doesnt score braces anymore. He doesnt score from anywhere anymore(besides the wonder goal in preseason). He hasnt been in form for a few years. Well at least i’d rather cling to that hope than the increasing by the day likelihood that this shell of a player is the new Kane. Maybe Kane just cant be that well rounded absurdly dangerous player who can take the game by the horns and produce magic anymore like he used to and like Aguero, Salah, etc do.

Even for you, that is quite possibly one of the stupidest posts ever.
 

ardiles

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If successfully taken penalties are not considered as goals, then we might as well do away with giving penalties, as it would be meaningless.

Penalties are given when a member of the defending team either commits a foul or handles the ball in the box. If penalties aren’t given for that in the box, then free kicks also shouldn’t be given for similar offences at any other place on the pitch.

Then, players would intentionally use their hands or illegally foul their opponents, knowing fully well that they won’t be punished and that the officials would just allow play to go on.

Would anyone want that to happen ? It’s going to end up in free for all incidents in every match.
 
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