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Real_madyidd

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If its true that Rosario get 2m and they are owed 4.5% of the fee, that works out at roughly 44.5 million transfer fee. Has Daniel levy struck again? Seems pretty low considering

Only if you do some crazy maths. We still pay the higher amount.
 

Gassin's finest

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Finally getting around to having a look at this lad. From the limited highlights he looks like Glenn and Ossie had a son together. Superb close control combined with driving runs, while also having the vision and technical ability to pick a variety of dangerous passes... short one touch, defence splitting through balls, and accurate cross field switches.

If your midfield 3 can be selected from a choice of Eriksen, Dele, N'Dombele, Sissoko, Winks, Lamela or this young lad... and then consider they'll sit behind a forward 3 of Kane, Son and Lucas...

Well, that's a squad that can win things.
 

SPURSLIFE

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Hang on a minute guys lets wait and see who we get and when before we start planning formations. Remember we have been disappointed so many times before. Also with so many MF it does mean that some of the guys coming through are unlikely to get games and we could lose them over the next 12 months or so and they are our future. As we have found out in the past these foreign signings have a good season and the likes of RM and BC come calling and they're off,
 

Gassin's finest

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May 12, 2010
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Hang on a minute guys lets wait and see who we get and when before we start planning formations. Remember we have been disappointed so many times before. Also with so many MF it does mean that some of the guys coming through are unlikely to get games and we could lose them over the next 12 months or so and they are our future. As we have found out in the past these foreign signings have a good season and the likes of RM and BC come calling and they're off,
Pfff... booooooring... ;)
 

kthwlsn

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Hang on a minute guys lets wait and see who we get and when before we start planning formations. Remember we have been disappointed so many times before. Also with so many MF it does mean that some of the guys coming through are unlikely to get games and we could lose them over the next 12 months or so and they are our future. As we have found out in the past these foreign signings have a good season and the likes of RM and BC come calling and they're off,
Those are future us’s problems.
 

Hotspur01

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What I’m trying to figure out is if we spend £55/60m on Lo Celso plus having spent £55 on N’dombele plus another £25m on Sessegnon, that puts our spend at £135m. Recouping £22m from Trippier, £10m Dembele, £10m Jannsen and maybe GKN that puts our net spend at at least £90m. Surely something has to give somewhere? Levy would never end a window having such a negative net spend.
 

King of Otters

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Finally getting around to having a look at this lad. From the limited highlights he looks like Glenn and Ossie had a son together. Superb close control combined with driving runs, while also having the vision and technical ability to pick a variety of dangerous passes... short one touch, defence splitting through balls, and accurate cross field switches.

If your midfield 3 can be selected from a choice of Eriksen, Dele, N'Dombele, Sissoko, Winks, Lamela or this young lad... and then consider they'll sit behind a forward 3 of Kane, Son and Lucas...

Well, that's a squad that can win things.

World class midfield and attacking options, but defence could still look very light unless we make at least two additions at full back. If Toby leaves then we'll also need another CB.

We're heading in the right direction, but I think it'll probably another summer before we genuinely have a squad that can compete with the best.
 

Ekmek

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What I’m trying to figure out is if we spend £55/60m on Lo Celso plus having spent £55 on N’dombele plus another £25m on Sessegnon, that puts our spend at £135m. Recouping £22m from Trippier, £10m Dembele, £10m Jannsen and maybe GKN that puts our net spend at at least £90m. Surely something has to give somewhere? Levy would never end a window having such a negative net spend.

Talks about Fulham beeing interested in GKN and Onomah. Would probably equal the Sess sum.
 

Ronwol196061

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Finally getting around to having a look at this lad. From the limited highlights he looks like Glenn and Ossie had a son together. Superb close control combined with driving runs, while also having the vision and technical ability to pick a variety of dangerous passes... short one touch, defence splitting through balls, and accurate cross field switches.

If your midfield 3 can be selected from a choice of Eriksen, Dele, N'Dombele, Sissoko, Winks, Lamela or this young lad... and then consider they'll sit behind a forward 3 of Kane, Son and Lucas...

Well, that's a squad that can win things.

Midfield from Eriksen, Dele, N'Dombele, Sissoko, Winks, Lamela and Lo Celso. It is fantastic but realistically only Sissoko will be happen with sitting on the bench a lot of the time. I think that Dele would have to get his scoring boots on and move up to the front line. Also most of these are on the attacking side of MF. Of course Winks can break up plays and Lamela can dig in defensively as can Dele but we would be weaker on the Defensive side. I do like attacking footie and but I think a bit too weak on the defensive side and would be loaded with talent and if we got Sessegnon that's another quasi attacker
 

Spurrific

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Midfield from Eriksen, Dele, N'Dombele, Sissoko, Winks, Lamela and Lo Celso. It is fantastic but realistically only Sissoko will be happen with sitting on the bench a lot of the time. I think that Dele would have to get his scoring boots on and move up to the front line. Also most of these are on the attacking side of MF. Of course Winks can break up plays and Lamela can dig in defensively as can Dele but we would be weaker on the Defensive side. I do like attacking footie and but I think a bit too weak on the defensive side and would be loaded with talent and if we got Sessegnon that's another quasi attacker

Don't worry, Ron - most of the time we'll let Poch pick the team and manage the players. Only very rarely will the club give you a call to check who you want in the 11.
 

dfree

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What I’m trying to figure out is if we spend £55/60m on Lo Celso plus having spent £55 on N’dombele plus another £25m on Sessegnon, that puts our spend at £135m. Recouping £22m from Trippier, £10m Dembele, £10m Jannsen and maybe GKN that puts our net spend at at least £90m. Surely something has to give somewhere? Levy would never end a window having such a negative net spend.
£140m profit in 17/18 and last year we got over £100m from the Champions League, it's not really outlandish spending its more getting money out of the piggy bank that we've been storing up.
 

Hotspur01

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£140m profit in 17/18 and last year we got over £100m from the Champions League, it's not really outlandish spending its more getting money out of the piggy bank that we've been storing up.

Fair point, but I would have assumed that any profits over the last few seasons would have been prioritised more towards servicing the stadium debts. Maybe I’m just a cynic!
 

BENNO

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World class midfield and attacking options, but defence could still look very light unless we make at least two additions at full back. If Toby leaves then we'll also need another CB.

We're heading in the right direction, but I think it'll probably another summer before we genuinely have a squad that can compete with the best.

While i definitely get where you are coming from,and do agree with what you are saying, it always annoys me when i see fans use the words 'compete with' when talking about us. Over the past few seasons we HAVE been competing with the best, the very best, and on plenty of occasions we've beaten them too.

What you actually mean is 'i think it'll probably be another summer before we genuinely have a squad that can CONSISTENTLY BEAT the best' (or words to that effect).

We are very good now, and we will be very good next season - better than many lazy pundits expect because that 22pt gap they keep mentioning is a false representation of the gap between the top 2 and us due to the freak circumstances of last season. However you are right, the full back position is our achilles heel at the moment.....but i do think the stronger and more dynamic midfield, that'll always be fresh due to the ability to rotate more next season, will in some part help to cover over the potential weakness at FB.
 

Timberwolf

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What I’m trying to figure out is if we spend £55/60m on Lo Celso plus having spent £55 on N’dombele plus another £25m on Sessegnon, that puts our spend at £135m. Recouping £22m from Trippier, £10m Dembele, £10m Jannsen and maybe GKN that puts our net spend at at least £90m. Surely something has to give somewhere? Levy would never end a window having such a negative net spend.
Over two seasons (07/08-08/09) our net spend was £115 million and that was without a new stadium or CL football and in a market where players were a lot more affordable.

Comparing that with our current situation: we didn't spend a penny for 2 windows and just had the most lucrative season in the club's history.

You may well be right - we haven't spent that big for over 10 years - but it's not completely unprecedented for Levy to loosen the purse strings.
 

Ronwol196061

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Wot! No Skipp?

Perhaps we could play Sissoko as a “rush goalie”. He has the speed and physique to handle this difficult role.

What do you think Ron?

First of all I was reacting to another post that had no Skipp in it (Actually I really like Skipp a lot and think he has the potential to be a big star) and it was about the amount of players we can choose from etc so I think you jumped the gun there,You are not an Arse supporter are you?
 

King of Otters

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While i definitely get where you are coming from,and do agree with what you are saying, it always annoys me when i see fans use the words 'compete with' when talking about us. Over the past few seasons we HAVE been competing with the best, the very best, and on plenty of occasions we've beaten them too.

What you actually mean is 'i think it'll probably be another summer before we genuinely have a squad that can CONSISTENTLY BEAT the best' (or words to that effect).

We are very good now, and we will be very good next season - better than many lazy pundits expect because that 22pt gap they keep mentioning is a false representation of the gap between the top 2 and us due to the freak circumstances of last season. However you are right, the full back position is our achilles heel at the moment.....but i do think the stronger and more dynamic midfield, that'll always be fresh due to the ability to rotate more next season, will in some part help to cover over the potential weakness at FB.

At the risk of going dangerously off topic here, we were no where near 'competing with the best' domestically last year. We lost over a third of our league games, the same amount of games lost by Chelsea, Liverpool and City combined. We also lost 5 out of the 6 games played against the top 3.

Competing with the best and just beating them occasionally are two very different things.
 

BENNO

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At the risk of going dangerously off topic here, we were no where near 'competing with the best' domestically last year. We lost over a third of our league games, the same amount of games lost by the Chelsea. Liverpool and City combined. We also lost 5 out of the 6 games played against the top 3.

Competing with the best and just beating them occasionally are two very different things.


You are falling into the lazy journalist trap if you believe last season was a realistic representation of where we are as a club right now. Due to injuries/suspension/fatigue/small squad we were a spent force for almost the 2nd half of the season, but managed to summon up enough effort to get us to CL final (driven by the desire to play in the final of course) and get enough points in the league for top 4 purely because the new stadium opening gave us that extra bit of energy for a short period of time for us to get the required points on the board. The last couple of months were bad and make up a large percentage of your stat, but we were effectively finished,run dry,done. That is not the real Spurs, and won't be repeated this season.
 

King of Otters

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You are falling into the lazy journalist trap if you believe last season was a realistic representation of where we are as a club right now. Due to injuries/suspension/fatigue/small squad we were a spent force for almost the 2nd half of the season, but managed to summon up enough effort to get us to CL final (driven by the desire to play in the final of course) and get enough points in the league for top 4 purely because the new stadium opening gave us that extra bit of energy for a short period of time for us to get the required points on the board. The last couple of months were bad and make up a large percentage of your stat, but we were effectively finished,run dry,done. That is not the real Spurs, and won't be repeated this season.

The 'lazy journalist trap' of thinking a 38 game season played over 9 months is representative of the true level of a football team? Do you have access to the alternative table which takes into account whatever bollocks you're talking about so I don't fall into the same trap in future?
 

BENNO

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The 'lazy journalist trap' of thinking a 38 game season played over 9 months is representative of the true level of a football team? Do you have access to the alternative table which takes into account whatever bollocks you're talking about so I don't fall into the same trap in future?

Blimey, well if you really don't understand the huge mitigating factors that massively affected our club last season, then there is no point trying to discuss it (and as you point out, certainly not on this thread). As a very small and quick example let's start with our keeper, who had a huge early season blip due to WC winning hangover and then arrest for drink driving. Will that happen again this year ? Will Ben Davies and Tripper play the entire season with injuries (that require operating on). Will Diers appendix burst again ??? etc etc etc Would finish by adding that we did beat 'the best' over a two legged game to reach the CL semi final so fairly sure at our best, we can 'compete' , not always win, but definitely compete.
 

nailsy

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Fair point, but I would have assumed that any profits over the last few seasons would have been prioritised more towards servicing the stadium debts. Maybe I’m just a cynic!

The stadium debt will be paid off long term. The figures I've seen are £50m a year, but it will generate £100m so no real need to worry about that at the moment. Poch has mentioned several times in the past that we are ahead of schedule and that the plan was always to target champions League football and trophies once we got into the stadium. That was always going to take investment in the playing squad which is what we're seeing now. I'm not expecting us to spend £100m+ every season, but it makes sense as a one off to get us closer to the level that we want to be at.
 
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